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At the very minimum everyone needs a state ID to function in this society unless they never get sick, never fly, never cash a check or open a bank acct. and the list goes on and on. Just what are the odds that someone would never do any of those things in their entire lives?
It depends.
In certain Socio-economic groups the odds are small but significant that someone would never do any of these things. If their only medical treatment was in an ER, they would get treated without an ID. Not an ideal situation for someone to live in, but it happens.
For others, they may have done these things, but 40 or 50 years ago. Any ID that they had may still get them seen by their doctor, for example, but would not NOW serve as a valid ID under these new Voter ID laws.
And there's the problem - We need to ENCOURAGE voting, not put up barriers to voting. Too small a percentage of the people in this Country vote now. THat's not good for the Country.
I've never used an ID for medical reasons, I have used it to fly, but there are many Americans who don't fly, I don't cash checks, I deposit them, and I've had the same bank account for decades, and didn't need ID to open the bank account all those years ago. I haven't been asked for identification once in the past five years (except to vote-where it isn't required, but it is requested). Not to purchase alcohol, not even to make a credit card purchase (though they keep asking me for my zip code when I make debit purchases at retail stores).
The simple fact of the matter is that while I drive and so do have ID, it's not something that I actually use. And I don't carry it on me at all times. I don't carry it on me when I walk the dog. Quite often, when I go out to a function, I don't carry it on me. If I go out with friends to a movie, I often leave it at home because cash is all I need and I can put that in a pocket, and leave the pocketbook at home.
I've know several elderly women in my area who've never needed ID for any reason. They don't drive, their husbands do all the driving. They don't work outside the home. They simply don't need any ID. And to demand that they get an ID in order to vote is putting an impediment in the way of their voting. It may not be a major impediment, but it's still an impediment. And that is wrong.
I don't think you are being honest here. State ID at the very minimum will be required for many things today. I wouldn't even walk my dog without ID because if I had an accident how would I be identified?
I don't think you are being honest here. State ID at the very minimum will be required for many things today. I wouldn't even walk my dog without ID because if I had an accident how would I be identified?
Having an ID so you can be identified in the case of an accident is very different than having a Valid Photo ID, such as PA, for example, is requiring for voting.
My keychain has some ID on it, for example.
Another example, when walking the dog, the dog will probably have a tag, and maybe even be chipped.
HEY - there's an idea all the "Keep the Government Out Of My Life" but "Show Me Your Government ID" folks might like: CHIP everyone at birth, or upon entering the Country.
Here is what PA is willing to consider in addition to the driver's licence (which at least 91% of registered voters already have):
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The law also says other forms of ID are acceptable, such as military ID cards, U.S. passports, identification cards from accredited Pennsylvania colleges or universities, Pennsylvania senior care facility IDs, or other photo identification cards issued by the federal, Pennsylvania, county or municipal governments.
HEY - there's an idea all the "Keep the Government Out Of My Life" but "Show Me Your Government ID" folks might like: CHIP everyone at birth, or upon entering the Country.
George Orwell, Where Are You?
the liberals have been talking about having RFID for a while
Actually, I have never invested a dime into updating my voter registration, about 20 times, over my life. Always visited the BOE in passing and used their forms, even used their pen.
To come up with a photo id, assume I didn't have one, I would have to get a new birth certificate by returning to my birth state and county. I would have to provide the proper documentation to that records department. Might need to visit several places to gather that documentation, first. I believe the birth certificate takes at least a week to produce. If all goes well, they mail it to me in a week or two. Cost, about $28.50 and several hours of my time. Say I need a SS card, I would have to Invest the same kinda time and effort. Now I can go get my state issued ID and hope they issue it based on the documents I have. Cost, about $12 with a multitude of huddles.
You need to look at this process from the perspective of the ppl that live without an ID, mostly they are poor to extremely poor. They have little or no access to a car, on average a car costs about $8,000 a year to own and operate, well beyond the means of many. By my estimate, I would need to travel about 180 miles and invest about 8 to 10 hours into record collection, travel and waiting in lines spread over a month or more. I make a mistake, don't have the right papers or hit a road block and "costs" balloon.
Not sure about anyone else's state, but my state is scaling back office hours for local, county and state offices. Offices that were open 9 to 5, 5 days a week might be open Monday, Wednesday and Friday now. Long lines, busy signals and delayed responses are the new normal.
If you're going to impose a NEW requirement on a voter it is incumbent on you to streamline the path to fulfilling that requirement. Anything less and these ALEC ID laws are voter suppression laws.
No, no, no. You don't need to do that:
PRIMARY ACCEPTABLE DOCUMENTS
(Must include Date of Birth)
• CERTIFICATE OF BIRTH - Either an original or certified copy, with a seal, and issued by an appropriate government agency
• CERTIFIED COPY OF COURT ORDER - Must contain the full name and date of birth of the applicant
• CONCEALED WEAPONS PERMIT – A valid Ohio issued permit with photograph
• DRIVER LICENSE - Any state, territory, or possession of the United States, with photograph, current or expired not more than six months
• MILITARY IDENTIFICATION - A valid United States military service or dependent identification document with photograph
• OFFENDERS RELEASE IDENTIFCATION CARD - Valid card issued by the Ohio Department of Rehabilitation and Correction or DYS Department of
Youth Services; containing the person’s photograph, name, date of birth and Social Security Number
• STATE ISSUED IDENTIFICATION CARD – Issued by any state, territory, or possession of the United States, with photograph, current or expired not
more than six months
• STATE ISSUED LEARNERS PERMIT - Issued by any state, territory, or possession of the United States, with photograph, current or expired not
more than six months
• UNITED STATES CITIZENSHIP AND IMMIGRATION SERVICE (USCIS) DOCUMENTS - Must be an original and valid, or like documents issued by
the successor agency to the USCIS
• VALID PASSPORT - A valid United States Passport or Passport Card, with photograph or a passport with photograph from another country
accompanied by appropriate USCIS documents • Any other genuine and reliable document approved by the BMV Registrar (not deputy registrar)
NOTE: Additional documentation may be required if the documentation provided is questionable. Contact must be made by Deputy Registrar to the
BMV License Control Help Desk for more information
SECONDARY ACCEPTABLE DOCUMENTS
(Must include the Social Security Number (SSN) if not on the primary document)
• BUREAU OF AMERICAN INDIAN AFFAIRS CARD or AMERICAN INDIAN TREATY CARD - Tribal Identification card is not acceptable
• CERTIFIED COPY OF A COURT ORDER – With or without the date of birth
• CREDIT CARD
• EMPLOYER IDENTIFICATION CARD - With photograph
• FOREIGN BIRTH CERTIFICATE - Accompanied by a translation by an approved translator if the birth certificate is not in English
• GUN PERMIT-With photograph
• HEALTH INSURANCE CARD – Current and valid
• INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE OR STATE TAX FORM - Issued by the appropriate governmental agency within the last 3 years. W-2 forms are not
acceptable
• MARRIAGE CERTIFICATE – Or marriage license
• MEDICAL RECORDS – From a doctor or hospital
• MILITARY DISCHARGE DOCUMENTATION – Military separation papers
• MOTOR VEHICLE TITLE – Vehicle Registration is not acceptable
• PILOT’S LICENSE
• PUBLIC ASSISTANCE BENEFIT CARD – Issued by a governmental agency
• SCHOOL RECORD OR TRANSCRIPT - Must be certified copy.
• SOCIAL SECURITY DOCUMENTATION – An official Social Security card or number identification (numident) printout issued by the Social
Security Administration Metal card is not acceptable.
• STUDENT IDENTIFICATION CARD - With photograph issued by a recognized school or university.
• VOTER REGISTRATION CARD • Any other genuine and reliable document approved by the BMV Registrar (not deputy registrar).
NOTE: Additional documentation may be required if the documentation provided is questionable. Contact must be made by Deputy Registrar to
the BMV License Control Help Desk for more information.
PROOF OF U.S. CITIZENSHIP OR LEGAL PRESENCE
• CERTIFICATE OF BIRTH - either an original or certified copy, with a seal and issued by an appropriate governmental agency of any state, territory, or
possession of the United States
• A UNITED STATES PASSPORT
• A UNITED STATES PASSPORT CARD
• A NATURALIZATION DOCUMENT – issued by the United States
• Appropriate United States Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) documents which are original and valid, or like documents issued by the successor agency to the USCIS showing the dates of legal presence
PROOF OF RESIDENCY IN OHIO
If the primary and secondary documents presented do not establish the applicant's current Ohio resident street address, the applicant shall present
additional documents containing the applicant's name and current address within Ohio to establish that address to the satisfaction of the registrar or
deputy registrar. A post office box or other mail box address is not acceptable. The following documents shall be acceptable if the applicant's current
Ohio residence street address is included in the document:
• Certification of residency from a nursing home or homeless shelter on a Certified Statement of Residency (BMV 2336) form
• Change of Address Card – Issued by the Ohio Bureau of Motor Vehicles
• Checking, savings account, and online bank statements within the last sixty days
• Child support check stub from Ohio Department of Job and Family Services
• Copy of federal or Ohio income tax return filing not more than eighteen months old, with proof of filing
• Court order of probation, order of parole, or order of mandatory release
• Current and valid premises liability, life insurance, or automobile liability policy OR card with address
• In the case of a dependent child, the BMV may accept a Certified Statement of Residency (BMV 2336) form from the child's parent or guardian,
signed in the presence of a BMV official
• In the case of a married person, the BMV may accept a Certified Statement of Residency (BMV 2336) form from the applicant's spouse, signed in the
presence of a BMV official. Proof of marital relationship is required
• Installment loan contract from a bank or other financial institution
• Major credit card statement or major retail store credit card statement with Ohio street address issued within the last 60 days
• Mortgage account or proof of home ownership
• Ohio BMV Vehicle Registration Mail-In Renewal Notice
• Ohio Certificate of Title
• Ohio resident hunting or fishing license, current or previous year
• Paycheck stub issued within the last six months
• Professional license issued by an Ohio governmental agency
• Property tax bill or receipt
• Public assistance check stub or food stamp card issued by a governmental agency, or letter on government agency letterhead, within the last 12
months
• Sales tax or business license
• School records
• Selective Service registration acknowledgement card
• Social Security Administration document with Ohio street address
• Transportation Security Administration (TSA) letter
• Utility bill (from an electric, telephone, water, sewer, cable, satellite, heating oil, or propane provider) issued within the last sixty days
• Valid concealed weapons permit
• Valid Ohio voter registration card • Any other genuine and reliable document approved by the BMV Registrar (not deputy registrar)
uhm the statement for DL (photo d) seems to be if you are using a check
but then again oHIo gave us "ive been taken by aliens" kucinich
You're wrong as usual. To even get in the building, City Hall, you need a photo ID. If I didn't have a photo id I couldn't get into the building where the documents are held that you need to get a photo id... Irony???
So, using my DL to get in I was able to order my BC, AFTER SHOWING MY PHOTO ID AGAIN.
Costs, 56 miles, $25 for BC, $2.25 to park for an hour, and just under three hours travel time, filling out form and waiting in a four deep line... Of course, if I didn't have an id already I would still be at square one.
Fun stuff, just about every document listed requires a BC to obtain.
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Originally Posted by Gemdiver
No, no, no. You don't need to do that. if you don't have any of these documents according to Ohio:
PRIMARY ACCEPTABLE DOCUMENTS
(Must include Date of Birth)
• CERTIFICATE OF BIRTH - Either an original or certified copy, with a seal, and issued by an appropriate government agency
• CERTIFIED COPY OF COURT ORDER - Must contain the full name and date of birth of the applicant
• CONCEALED WEAPONS PERMIT – A valid Ohio issued permit with photograph
• DRIVER LICENSE - Any state, territory, or possession of the United States, with photograph, current or expired not more than six months
• MILITARY IDENTIFICATION - A valid United States military service or dependent identification document with photograph
• OFFENDERS RELEASE IDENTIFCATION CARD - Valid card issued by the Ohio Department of Rehabilitation and Correction or DYS Department of
Youth Services; containing the person’s photograph, name, date of birth and Social Security Number
• STATE ISSUED IDENTIFICATION CARD – Issued by any state, territory, or possession of the United States, with photograph, current or expired not
more than six months
• STATE ISSUED LEARNERS PERMIT - Issued by any state, territory, or possession of the United States, with photograph, current or expired not
more than six months
• UNITED STATES CITIZENSHIP AND IMMIGRATION SERVICE (USCIS) DOCUMENTS - Must be an original and valid, or like documents issued by
the successor agency to the USCIS
• VALID PASSPORT - A valid United States Passport or Passport Card, with photograph or a passport with photograph from another country
accompanied by appropriate USCIS documents • Any other genuine and reliable document approved by the BMV Registrar (not deputy registrar)
NOTE: Additional documentation may be required if the documentation provided is questionable. Contact must be made by Deputy Registrar to the
BMV License Control Help Desk for more information
SECONDARY ACCEPTABLE DOCUMENTS
(Must include the Social Security Number (SSN) if not on the primary document)
• BUREAU OF AMERICAN INDIAN AFFAIRS CARD or AMERICAN INDIAN TREATY CARD - Tribal Identification card is not acceptable
• CERTIFIED COPY OF A COURT ORDER – With or without the date of birth
• CREDIT CARD
• EMPLOYER IDENTIFICATION CARD - With photograph
• FOREIGN BIRTH CERTIFICATE - Accompanied by a translation by an approved translator if the birth certificate is not in English
• GUN PERMIT-With photograph
• HEALTH INSURANCE CARD – Current and valid
• INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE OR STATE TAX FORM - Issued by the appropriate governmental agency within the last 3 years. W-2 forms are not
acceptable
• MARRIAGE CERTIFICATE – Or marriage license
• MEDICAL RECORDS – From a doctor or hospital
• MILITARY DISCHARGE DOCUMENTATION – Military separation papers
• MOTOR VEHICLE TITLE – Vehicle Registration is not acceptable
• PILOT’S LICENSE
• PUBLIC ASSISTANCE BENEFIT CARD – Issued by a governmental agency
• SCHOOL RECORD OR TRANSCRIPT - Must be certified copy.
• SOCIAL SECURITY DOCUMENTATION – An official Social Security card or number identification (numident) printout issued by the Social
Security Administration Metal card is not acceptable.
• STUDENT IDENTIFICATION CARD - With photograph issued by a recognized school or university.
• VOTER REGISTRATION CARD • Any other genuine and reliable document approved by the BMV Registrar (not deputy registrar).
NOTE: Additional documentation may be required if the documentation provided is questionable. Contact must be made by Deputy Registrar to
the BMV License Control Help Desk for more information.
PROOF OF U.S. CITIZENSHIP OR LEGAL PRESENCE
• CERTIFICATE OF BIRTH - either an original or certified copy, with a seal and issued by an appropriate governmental agency of any state, territory, or
possession of the United States
• A UNITED STATES PASSPORT
• A UNITED STATES PASSPORT CARD
• A NATURALIZATION DOCUMENT – issued by the United States
• Appropriate United States Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) documents which are original and valid, or like documents issued by the successor agency to the USCIS showing the dates of legal presence
PROOF OF RESIDENCY IN OHIO
If the primary and secondary documents presented do not establish the applicant's current Ohio resident street address, the applicant shall present
additional documents containing the applicant's name and current address within Ohio to establish that address to the satisfaction of the registrar or
deputy registrar. A post office box or other mail box address is not acceptable. The following documents shall be acceptable if the applicant's current
Ohio residence street address is included in the document:
• Certification of residency from a nursing home or homeless shelter on a Certified Statement of Residency (BMV 2336) form
• Change of Address Card – Issued by the Ohio Bureau of Motor Vehicles
• Checking, savings account, and online bank statements within the last sixty days
• Child support check stub from Ohio Department of Job and Family Services
• Copy of federal or Ohio income tax return filing not more than eighteen months old, with proof of filing
• Court order of probation, order of parole, or order of mandatory release
• Current and valid premises liability, life insurance, or automobile liability policy OR card with address
• In the case of a dependent child, the BMV may accept a Certified Statement of Residency (BMV 2336) form from the child's parent or guardian,
signed in the presence of a BMV official
• In the case of a married person, the BMV may accept a Certified Statement of Residency (BMV 2336) form from the applicant's spouse, signed in the
presence of a BMV official. Proof of marital relationship is required
• Installment loan contract from a bank or other financial institution
• Major credit card statement or major retail store credit card statement with Ohio street address issued within the last 60 days
• Mortgage account or proof of home ownership
• Ohio BMV Vehicle Registration Mail-In Renewal Notice
• Ohio Certificate of Title
• Ohio resident hunting or fishing license, current or previous year
• Paycheck stub issued within the last six months
• Professional license issued by an Ohio governmental agency
• Property tax bill or receipt
• Public assistance check stub or food stamp card issued by a governmental agency, or letter on government agency letterhead, within the last 12
months
• Sales tax or business license
• School records
• Selective Service registration acknowledgement card
• Social Security Administration document with Ohio street address
• Transportation Security Administration (TSA) letter
• Utility bill (from an electric, telephone, water, sewer, cable, satellite, heating oil, or propane provider) issued within the last sixty days
• Valid concealed weapons permit
• Valid Ohio voter registration card • Any other genuine and reliable document approved by the BMV Registrar (not deputy registrar)
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