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this thead is about IDENTIFICATION and the thought of a national ID
try to keep up
voter fraud is only part of the story
Maybe you should try keeping up and not wandering off trying to reframe the topic. National id??? Nope, not part of the title or op. The title and op seems to say why ppl don't have photo ID's that these new ALEC law require.
Maybe you should try keeping up and not wandering off trying to reframe the topic. National id??? Nope, not part of the title or op. The title and op seems to say why ppl don't have photo ID's that these new ALEC law require.
try reading
from the OP
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To do many necessary functions, such as driving and getting medical care, you have to have an ID in this country. I really want to know for what VALID reason a US citizen wouldn't have an ID.
its about ID...not voting
there is not one reason why an american citizen over 16 should not have an id
In another thread a poster wrote the following:
Quote: Over 2 dozen states have added new ID laws under the guise of eliminating voter fraud. The real result of these laws is the disenfranchisement of up to 5 million African American voters who do not have the required ID.
To do many necessary functions, such as driving and getting medical care, you have to have an ID in this country. I really want to know for what VALID reason a US citizen wouldn't have an ID.
I know someone is going to cite cost so I'll go ahead and supply that because I don't see where any of them are prohibitive.
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Cost of basic government ID by state (not driver's license):
Alabama – $23
Alaska – Under 60 is $15, over 60 is free
Arizona – $12. Over 65 is free
Arkansas – $10
California – $23. Free for those over 62. $7 for low income folks
Colorado – $10.50. Free for those over 60
Connecticut – $15
Delaware -$5
Florida – $3 whole friggin’ dollars!!!!!!
Georgia -$20 for 5 years, $35 for $10 years
Hawaii – $15 for under 65, $10 for over 65
Idaho – $7.50. Renewals can even be done by mail
Illinois – $20, free for seniors over 65 with no renewal necessary
Indiana – $13 under 65, $10 for over 65, last for 6 years
Iowa – $5
Kansas – $18 under 65, $14 over 65
Kentucky – $12
Louisiana – Average $21, free for over 60
Maine – $5
Maryland – $15, free for those over 65
Massachusetts – $15
Michigan – $10, free for seniors and those with mental impairments
Minnesota – $15.50, $10.75 for those 65 and up
Mississippi – $13
Missouri – $11
Montana – $8
Nebraska – $23.75 (lots of different fees for those under 21)
Nevada – $11.25. For 65 and up, new is $6.25, renewal is $2.25
New Hampshire – haven’t been able to find the cost
New Jersey – $24
New Mexico – $5 for 5 years, $8 for 10 years
New York – Depending on length, $9 to $14. 62 and up, $6.50
North Carolina – $10
North Dakota – $8
Ohio – $8.50
Oklahoma – $10
Oregon – $29 for 8 years
Pennsylvania – $10,
Rhode Island – $15, free for 59 and up
South Carolina – $5
South Dakota – $8
Tennessee – $12.50. For those 65 and up, they never expire
Texas – $15. 60 and up, $5 and never has to be renewed
Utah – $18. Never expires for those 65 and up
Vermont – $15, $10 if you get Social Security Income
Virginia – $10
Washington – $20
West Virginia – can’t find an actual figure
Wisconsin – $28 for eight years
Wyoming – $10, never expires
Washington, D.C. – $20.
there is not one reason why an american citizen over 16 should not have an id
Dude you're the one that wandered off.
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Originally Posted by Oldhag1
In another thread a poster wrote the following:
Quote:
Over 2 dozen states have added new ID laws under the guise of eliminating voter fraud. The real result of these laws is the disenfranchisement of up to 5 million African American voters who do not have the required ID.
To do many necessary functions, such as driving and getting medical care, you have to have an ID in this country. I really want to know for what VALID reason a US citizen wouldn't have an ID.
I know someone is going to cite cost so I'll go ahead and supply that because I don't see where any of them are prohibitive.
Most last between 4 and 5 years.
I'll be waiting for you to post the link to my alleged comment.
My apologies, that was workingclasshero that made that comment. You're absolved.
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You are neglecting to accept the fact it says QUALIFIED voters. Not everyone. States determine what is required to be qualified to vote.
And the federal government outlines that states cannot disqualify a voter based on age, creed, sex, or initiate any poll-taxes, and the court of Georgia found Georgia's original VoterID law to be unconstitutional because it constituted a poll-tax.
And, it's been shown that VoterID laws target specific protected groups--racial minorities, the elderly, and the impoverished.
For what valid reason would a US citizen not have an ID?
do you see voting mentioned in the title...yes or no
question with in the thread:
Quote:
To do many necessary functions, such as driving and getting medical care, you have to have an ID in this country. I really want to know for what VALID reason a US citizen wouldn't have an ID
do you see voting mentioned within this question....yes on no
the ONLY MENTION of voting is to say that a few NEW id laws have come in reciently about voting...just as some have also come in reciently dealing with imigration
it is YOU who have cherry picked this op
this op is about identification and the need or not of having an ID
The address change fee is 25 by mail or 30 in person. I think I stated 35. That IS not the fee for receiving an ID. FL also has crazy document standards. Literally your entire life they want to scan. Serious FRAUD magnet.
What's wrong with having a national ID? Isn't that what a US passport is? Should we be afraid to have one?
What's with you RWs constantly accusing "liberals" of being afraid of things. We were afraid of Sarah Palin's good looks (!), we're afraid of Paul Jagoff Ryan, afraid, afraid, afraid. Keep saying it often enough, all the cons will believe it.
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