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I got the impression from your other post that you didn't have a government issued photo ID, my bad.
But you do have a US passport. And I do think that every US citizen does need to have at least one current government issued ID in their possession. And that they do need to show it in order to vote.
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Originally Posted by Coachgns
HELLO? Welcome to the REAL world! A medicare card is NOT valid ID. It does not have a picture. I received mine without ever showing a picture ID. So did most (all?) people.
I go into the Courthouse often - have been all my life. NEVER had to show a picture ID, not in State COurt nor Federal COurt. I did have to show a picture ID if I wanted to avaoid going through the MEtal detector - but that was strictly for attorneys. The public went in without an ID.
Your "impression" is so wrong. Illegal to not have a valid ID? SHEESH! - THis is not Nazi Germany! DO you also think that Jewish people have to walk around with arm bands with the Star of David? Reading your incredibly uninformed post, one could think that is what you believe.
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Originally Posted by Coachgns
YES - a real small town. New York.
I have not seen a bank teller in many years. Nor have many many people.
Most Seniors have their SS checks deposited directly into their bank accounts. If they are able, they go to an ATM to withdraw money, they write checks or pay bills online. What need is there for them to go to a Teller?
How about my roadtrip to canada? My US PAssport won;t work? But guess what, lots & lots & lots of people do not take road trips. Lots of people are unable to take trips outside of their homes.
yes - NOW Photo ID's are required to obtain many services, or to get a license for this or that. But there are just an awful lot of people who got their ID's decades ago, who opened bank accounts decades ago, etc. THey no longer have current ID's. They do not need them, excpet in those States that are attempting to suppress voting.
I still do not see how requiring a photo ID will stop voter fraud. The cases of voter fraud are very few, and most reports are primarily anecdotal. But more significant, there are probably 10,000 fake photo ID's issued to HS & college kids so they can drink compared to every one instance of a ineligible voter actually voting. It is just way too easy to get a fake ID. So people with fake ID's can vote. THat ID did lots of good, didn't it?
WE ARE NOT ALL IN THE SAME BOAT! WE MUST ACCOMODATE EVERYONE WHO WANTS TO VOTE.
As it is, not enough people are voting.
Lol you want paid maternity leave like these socialized countries in Europe have? Getting pregnant is a personal choice and business owners should not be penalized for the choice of their employee.
You're the one making the Ad-populism argument for national IDs. If you want to follow Europe's lead in such matters, why not in other matters, like their UHC programs and mandatory vacation time?
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Did you miss the SCOTUS decision where they found there is no Constitutional right to vote?
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Originally Posted by SUPREME COURT OPINION
Undeniably the Constitution of the United States protects the right of all qualified citizens to vote, in state as well as in federal elections. A consistent line of decisions by this Court in cases involving attempts to deny or restrict the right of suffrage has made this indelibly clear. It has been repeatedly recognized that all qualified voters have a constitutionally protected right to vote,
Literally. It's right there. Constitutionally protected right.
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Originally Posted by 20yrsinBranson
The Constitution never explicitly ensures the right to vote (as it does for free speech, for example). Aside from these requirements, though, the qualifications for voters are left to the states. And as long as the qualifications do not conflict with anything in the Constitution, that right can be withheld. For example, in Texas, persons declared mentally incompetent and felons currently in prison or on probation are denied the right to vote.
20yrsinBranson
It's covered under the 9th amendment. Just about all of our rights are. You will also notice as well that felons and mental paitients are abridged their right to bear arms as well, and their right to unreasoanable search-and-seizure, and their right to freely move. Prisoners lose a lot of rights.
Valid is highly subjective. However, I can think of 2.
1. Requirements for documentation cannot be met. Even for basic ID the documentation can be difficult and is excessive.
Some requirements don't even make sense.
2. Costs. Even pic ID can be expensive in many states and this is relative to your income, of course.
FL DMV for example, charges you 35 dollars, just to change your address. Ridiculous.
You're the one making the Ad-populism argument for national IDs. If you want to follow Europe's lead in such matters, why not in other matters, like their UHC programs and mandatory vacation time?
Where did I ever state I supported a national ID?
I'll be waiting for you to post the link to my alleged comment.
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Literally. It's right there. Constitutionally protected right.
You are neglecting to accept the fact it says QUALIFIED voters. Not everyone. States determine what is required to be qualified to vote.
Almost EVERY documented case of voter fraud, where a vote was cast, has been mail in absentee voting where a photo ID is not required, even by these new laws. So, if these new laws are really about voter fraud why don't any of them address the actual mechanism of voter fraud, mail in absentee ballots??? It is because these laws are voter suppression laws searching for justification.
oh bull..an identity theft happend almost every hour of every day
I'll be waiting for you to post the link to my alleged comment.
You are neglecting to accept the fact it says QUALIFIED voters. Not everyone. States determine what is required to be qualified to vote.
You're being childish now. Qualified, as in an adult, that doesn't possess a disqualified defect as a felon. As a qualified voter your right to vote is constitutional protected.
do you know what happens when you make the good the enemy of the perfect? I wish we were 1 nation rather than 50 states. . .I would abolish "states rights" if i could, but I would not let my preference disenfranchise millions of voters.
but we are not 50 seperate states..we are the UNITED states...one nation ...one standard
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