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well, that is a technicality. In reality, the "recruit" would not make the call to the commander. And, even if he did, commanders have much more important things to worry about than gay soldiers. Now, if gay soldiers are causing problems then the commander steps in and does something.
So, all 13,500-ish folks who have been kicked out, simply for the fact of being gay, were troublemakers who were causing their chain of command problems?
Of course there is a degree of discretion when it comes to reporting the knowledge of a crime. There are tons of soldiers who have become aware of the homosexuality of another and chose not to turn him in. In that case, they're both complicit in violating the law.
The fact of the matter is that roughly 14,000 gay service members have been kicked out of the military over the last 17 years for situations every bit as innocuous as the one I gave. In a lot of cases the gay solider just couldn't keep up lying about who they were ever single day for years on end, so they simply went to the CO and said - I'm gay. If the brass found out they were gay - no matter how they found out - then the gay solider was fired. No matter how you cut it, that's just plain old disgusting discrimination.
14,000 troops were all kicked out because a third party said they were gay? you are seriously distorting the facts. Or, possibly you just don't understand the military. You also said that the soldiers who did not turn in a gay soldier were complicit in violating the law. No they weren't
It is never the responsibility of straight soldiers to turn in someone who says that they are gay. And, many commanders suspected that members were gay, but they didn't pursue the issue. Do you know why? Because of the "don't ask" part of the law. There are 2 primary reasons why gays get kicked out...
1. they "tell" (i.e. brag) about their homosexuality
2. they engage in homosexual conduct that clearly goes against military policy. I'm not talking about just hanging out with gay friends or even going to a gay club.
And, in most cases they were probably given warnings. But the gays continued to let their homosexuality define them and they acted on it instead of keeping military bearing.
ALL troops must comply with ALL military laws. Gays want to serve their country, but also live the homosexual lifestyle.
ALL troops must comply with ALL military laws. Gays want to serve their country, but also live the homosexual lifestyle.
A majority of troops were for repeal, the military leaders were for repeal, and the American people were for repeal. Even Rush Limbaugh was for repeal!
The anti-gay crowd lost. You can spew all of the bigoted view you want. It won't matter a bit. It's done.
So, all 13,500-ish folks who have been kicked out, simply for the fact of being gay, were troublemakers who were causing their chain of command problems?
I don't know. But, if gays want to serve honorably in the military then nobody is stopping them. Most of the gays kicked out were probably causing some problems. They might have been great workers, but their off-duty behavior was a problem. But, you know as well as I do that they weren't kicked out by being discreet. It is like underage drinking... Many young soldiers drink, but some get carried away and they get in trouble.
the justifications for DADT are ridiculous....reading everyone's posts about how "the gays" this.. and "the gays" that... REALLY?? what is with this us vs them mentality all the time? If the thought of homosexuals makes you uncomfortable.. I suggest you stay in your house and not talk to anyone.. You can choose who you want in your personal social circles, but you don't have the ability to make others cater to your "feelings".. when your "feelings" are YOUR problem.. not theirs..
Grow the hell up.. suck it up.. and quit whining... and don't assume for one minute that because someone is homosexual that they are weak or unworthy of the same respect every other service member deserves..
the justifications for DADT are ridiculous....reading everyone's posts about how "the gays" this.. and "the gays" that... REALLY?? what is with this us vs them mentality all the time? If the thought of homosexuals makes you uncomfortable.. I suggest you stay in your house and not talk to anyone.. You can choose who you want in your personal social circles, but you don't have the ability to make others cater to your "feelings".. when your "feelings" are YOUR problem.. not theirs..
Grow the hell up.. suck it up.. and quit whining... and don't assume for one minute that because someone is homosexual that they are weak or unworthy of the same respect every other service member deserves..
Clinton instituted DADT for the benefit of homosexuals.
DADT was never a ban against homosexuals, it was to protect homosexuals against being harassed because they're homosexual. Gays have always been in the military.
We'll see how they do in the military now that it's repealed.
In that scenario the gay soldier would not be kicked out. Now if the gay guy said, yes I'm gay and here are some X -rated pictures to prove it then he might be kicked out!
You are right, he would be kicked out, but the straight soldier that brings out his porn, does not. Is that fair? No. DADT and DOMA are outright discrimination based on sexual orientation.
Clinton instituted DADT for the benefit of homosexuals.
DADT was never a ban against homosexuals, it was to protect homosexuals against being harassed because they're homosexual. Gays have always been in the military.
We'll see how they do in the military now that it's repealed.
Why should gays do any differently now that they do not have to lie? You are right that DADT was instituted to allow gays in the military, but it was flawed in its very conception in that it required those who were gay or lesbian that entered the military to lie from the get go. Before DADT being caught or discovered as gay or lesbian could and often resulted in a court martial, arrest and prosecution, sometimes as a traitor to the country. The fear of having homosexuals in the military was because being gay was against the law and those caught could be black mailed into releasing secrets, aka being a Benedict Arnold. Being gay is no longer against the law, so gays do not have to worry about being outed and arrested, but with DADT it is really no different than if it were still against the law. A straight soldier does not have to fear ever mentioning his wife, girlfriend, boyfriend or husband. They do not have to watch their back for fear of being found out.
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This disaster will be repealed in the next congress. It's over.
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