Coronavirus in Massachusetts (Florida: primitive, house, calculation)

[YevTK]

Originally Posted by L00k4ward

The main point I was making that we should stop blaming just unvaccinated for the spread: the vaccinated spread the virus as well, maybe more so as they more likely to be asymptomatic walking around;
while those who unvaccinated and get sick would stay home with the symptoms.

The MA breakthrough data shows that the unvaccinated have proportionally 4X the number of cases.

Last week, Gov. Charlie Baker said "if people who are not vaccinated for coronavirus got vaccinated, it would cut hospitalizations in half."

The unvaccinated are to blame for unnecessarily taking up hospital beds.

[OutdoorLover]

Originally Posted by GeoffD

“Never tell me the odds.”
— Han Solo

LOL, it appears that post was simply ignored by the conspiracy wing (although to be fair I long ago put the extreme ones on ignore). It was reassuring for me to work through, anyway.

[GeoffD]

Originally Posted by YevTK

The MA breakthrough data shows that the unvaccinated have proportionally 4X the number of cases.

Last week, Gov. Charlie Baker said "if people who are not vaccinated for coronavirus got vaccinated, it would cut hospitalizations in half."

The unvaccinated are to blame for unnecessarily taking up hospital beds.

I’d really like to see better data on “vaccinated + boosted”. I suspect most of the vaccinated landing in the hospital were vaccinated more than 6 months ago.

[bostongymjunkie]

Originally Posted by htfdcolt

Of course. Because the restrictions are gone vs. last year, and we still have 70 million unvaccinated (and likely unmasked) Americans running around. Not a mystery.

Perhaps the vaccines to some degree, but also due to haphazard response to the virus and too much reliance on the vaccines as a panacea. They are not. Based on data it's highly doubtful related to mask usage. That said, there is no doubt that the (non) public health oriented policies have contributed to vaccine hesitancy and to the overall issue.

[bostongymjunkie]

Originally Posted by L00k4ward

Sweden did it - with the original less transmission and less deadly variant - so far they seem so much better now than us.

Yup. Florida (the old people capital of the nation) also lower per capita morbidity and at one time highest vaccine rates for over 65. No extensive lockdowns.

[OutdoorLover]

Originally Posted by GeoffD

I’d really like to see better data on “vaccinated + boosted”. I suspect most of the vaccinated landing in the hospital were vaccinated more than 6 months ago.

According to this Israeli study of health care workers - all of whom were at least fully vaccinated, published last week in NEJM, mortality among the boosted group was 10x lower than among the merely fully vaccinated group. That's mortality, not hospitalization, but it certainly shows a large effect.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2115624

[htfdcolt]

Originally Posted by bostongymjunkie

Perhaps the vaccines to some degree, but also due to haphazard response to the virus and too much reliance on the vaccines as a panacea. They are not. Based on data it's highly doubtful related to mask usage. That said, there is no doubt that the (non) public health oriented policies have contributed to vaccine hesitancy and to the overall issue.

The vaccines are the *best* weapon we have. No vaccine is 100%, and the mRNA ones that are approved have outperformed initial expectations.

Haphazard response--it's all on certain states who have taken it upon themselves to actively block, rather than encourage, vaccine requirements. And then on top of that, all the disinformation campaigns. Thank God MA, and our Governor, are quite the opposite.

[lrfox]

Originally Posted by redplum33

We weren't anywhere even close to being locked/shut down in December 2020.

Spring and part of the summer of 2020, yes.

December 2020, nope.

You're right. And we were never actually "locked down."

But there were still significant restrictions in place in December 2020. Restaurants and stores had capacity limits. Many simply remained close for that period of time. Mask mandates existed statewide. Large events, both indoor and outdoor events were not taking place. Bars weren't allowed to operate without serving food (and many of them remained closed). Private indoor gatherings were limited to 10 indoors, 25 outdoors, etc. People are doing a good deal more and gathering in far greater numbers today than they were in December 2020. And that was the point being made.

[OutdoorLover]

Originally Posted by htfdcolt

The vaccines are the *best* weapon we have. No vaccine is 100%, and the mRNA ones that are approved have outperformed initial expectations.

Haphazard response--it's all on certain states who have taken it upon themselves to actively block, rather than encourage, vaccine requirements. And then on top of that, all the disinformation campaigns. Thank God MA, and our Governor, are quite the opposite.

Absolutely correct. And based on the safety and efficacy of the Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna mRNA vaccines, we will be seeing more mRNA vaccines now. Not only do they perform very well, once you set up the R&D and manufacturing infrastructure to develop them, you can leverage it develop other mRNA vaccines more rapidly - there is an unprecedented amount of commonality between the infrastructure needed to develop different mRNA vaccines - that's really the most revolutionary aspect of the technology.

[timberline742]

Originally Posted by lrfox

You're right. And we were never actually "locked down."

But there were still significant restrictions in place in December 2020. Restaurants and stores had capacity limits. Many simply remained close for that period of time. Mask mandates existed statewide. Large events, both indoor and outdoor events were not taking place. Bars weren't allowed to operate without serving food (and many of them remained closed). Private indoor gatherings were limited to 10 indoors, 25 outdoors, etc. People are doing a good deal more and gathering in far greater numbers today than they were in December 2020. And that was the point being made.

Gyms and concerts packed now, not so in Dec 2020. Exactly.