Coronavirus in Massachusetts (home, schools, pharmacy)

[WestieWhitie]

Originally Posted by justyouraveragetenant

Just because you don't like a source does not prove it's wrong. That same site talked about the video project veritas did while recording doctors and nurses without their knowledge. It was a actual video that proved what was going on.

It's very convenient - "acceptable" news sources don't stray from politburo agenda and publishing anything that does not align with the agenda can be easily dismissed as fake news, just look at the newly minted communicaton director's totally not racist tweets incident.

[timberline742]

Originally Posted by justyouraveragetenant

Just because you don't like a source does not prove it's wrong. That same site talked about the video project veritas did while recording doctors and nurses without their knowledge. It was a actual video that proved what was going on.

I never mentioned liking or not liking. Just that it is not a reputable news source.

Veritas has been busted using very deceptively edited videos as well. I can dislike a site and their views while appreciating their integrity.

These sources don't have any.

[justyouraveragetenant]

Originally Posted by timberline742

I never mentioned liking or not liking. Just that it is not a reputable news source.

Veritas has been busted using very deceptively edited videos as well. I can dislike a site and their views while appreciating their integrity.

These sources don't have any.

Yes there was a incident with project veritas but it's my understanding it was a long time ago and was one incident. I think in the world we live in today thier effort to have transparency is necessary .

[GeoffD]

Originally Posted by justyouraveragetenant

Yes there was a incident with project veritas but it's my understanding it was a long time ago and was one incident. I think in the world we live in today thier effort to have transparency is necessary .

“a incident”? LOL. Transparency? They’re suing like crazy to try to keep documents the New York Times has from being published. There’s a decade+ history of pervasive fake news.

[rach5]

My crazy (?) hypothesis right now is that our government/CDC/Biden/Fauci want to let Omicron rip, and infect everybody as quickly as possible, to minimize the time that hospitals and other services are out of commission - because they know many, many people will die from lack of emergency care for non-covid illness for the next few weeks. The alternative would be a strict lockdown. Just vague masking guidelines with crappy masks, and an inadequate testing infrastructure are not enough to stop Omicron from overwhelming hospitals at this point. That's the only explanation I can see for Fauci and Walensky to encourage people to send their kids to school tomorrow, when for the next few weeks, due to staff and student illness, schools will be barely adequate babysitting at best, and not resemble anything close to a normal learning experience.
I would respect them more if they outright admitted that, instead of claiming that schools are safe with testing (what tests?!?) and masking (what masking during lunch? what kind of mask?) and pleading to get kids vaccinated (too late to stem the Omicron wave). Come on, Fauci! https://news.yahoo.com/fauci-school-...162829832.html
Just tell us the truth.

[htfdcolt]

Originally Posted by rach5

My crazy (?) hypothesis right now is that our government/CDC/Biden/Fauci want to let Omicron rip, and infect everybody as quickly as possible, to minimize the time that hospitals and other services are out of commission - because they know many, many people will die from lack of emergency care for non-covid illness for the next few weeks. The alternative would be a strict lockdown. Just vague masking guidelines with crappy masks, and an inadequate testing infrastructure are not enough to stop Omicron from overwhelming hospitals at this point. That's the only explanation I can see for Fauci and Walensky to encourage people to send their kids to school tomorrow, when for the next few weeks, due to staff and student illness, schools will be barely adequate babysitting at best, and not resemble anything close to a normal learning experience.
I would respect them more if they outright admitted that, instead of claiming that schools are safe with testing (what tests?!?) and masking (what masking during lunch? what kind of mask?) and pleading to get kids vaccinated (too late to stem the Omicron wave). Come on, Fauci! https://news.yahoo.com/fauci-school-...162829832.html
Just tell us the truth.

But if that's true, how does that help hospital capacity? Even if their "end game" is to let everyone get infected, wouldn't you want that to happen at a slow, controlled pace?

[redplum33]

Originally Posted by htfdcolt

But if that's true, how does that help hospital capacity? Even if their "end game" is to let everyone get infected, wouldn't you want that to happen at a slow, controlled pace?

Maybe they're thinking that between vaccinations and infections (natural immunity), we can possibly get rid of this thing if done quickly.

I don't know. I think it's more likely just about money. Shutting down costs the gov't a tremendous amount of money.

[rach5]

Originally Posted by htfdcolt

But if that's true, how does that help hospital capacity? Even if their "end game" is to let everyone get infected, wouldn't you want that to happen at a slow, controlled pace?

My thought is that they know they'd need very strict lockdowns to let Omicron spread at a "slow, controlled" pace that keeps hospitals (and other essential services) functioning. With half-hearted attempts at "restrictions", they'd slow the spread a bit, but not enough to help the hospitals. So perhaps their thinking is - better to have hospitals out of commission for 6 weeks, than 3 months? It's of course a huge gamble... I don't have access to their modelling, but surely it's out there (like Sage modelling in the UK).
Oh - the WH press briefing room is now limiting to 14/49 seats- but our classrooms and school cafeterias are safe according to Walensky and Fauci...Yeah, right. https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...covid-19-surge

[rach5]

Originally Posted by redplum33

Maybe they're thinking that between vaccinations and infections (natural immunity), we can possibly get rid of this thing if done quickly.

I don't know. I think it's more likely just about money. Shutting down costs the gov't a tremendous amount of money.

Oh yes - they are not willing to shut down because of $$$ (they'd need strict lockdowns). I agree. Right now I think their goal is to let Omicron rip through as quickly as possibly, but without admitting this to the American public. Nobody (well, at least no MD!) can say with a straight face that going to school is safe right now (East Providence's rapid testing for school opening had 113/790 of tests positive today!), especially in communities and states where a non-negligible fraction of the population is still unvaxxed.

[GeoffD]

Originally Posted by htfdcolt

But if that's true, how does that help hospital capacity? Even if their "end game" is to let everyone get infected, wouldn't you want that to happen at a slow, controlled pace?

The people landing in the hospital are either unvaccinated or have compromised health. Why should we pull the plug on the economy over those two groups? With N95 masks and basic hygiene practices, anyone with a compromised immune system can avoid COVID-19. That leaves the Covidiots. A percent or two of those land in the hospital. Not my problem. What we have is a total public health meltdown where society has allowed the COVIDiots to crash the health care system. I think we should triage unvaccinated COVID patients out of the top hospitals. If you want the freedom to make poor choices, you should have to pay the penalty for the repercussions of those poor choices. MGH shouldn’t have to pay $7k per week for a contract med-surg nurse. MGH shouldn’t have to cancel elective procedures. Put the unvaccinated people in a tent somewhere.