Coronavirus in Massachusetts (2014, insurance, house)

[redplum33]

Title 42, a COVID-era halt on asylum applications, has ended. Here's what to expect

[jbgusa]

Originally Posted by redplum33

Whether taken at face value or not, your argument lacks merit.

And it's misleading to say "100 million doses is 100 million doses" when those 100 million doses were first shots and didn't provide protection.

50 million people getting 2 shots is very different from 100 million people getting 1 shot.

Actually one does gave plenty of protection, though not optimal.

[lrfox]

Originally Posted by redplum33

Whether taken at face value or not, your argument lacks merit.

And it's misleading to say "100 million doses is 100 million doses" when those 100 million doses were first shots and didn't provide protection.

50 million people getting 2 shots is very different from 100 million people getting 1 shot.

This isn't even close to what I was saying which is why I said earlier that "you're fighting ghosts." You're arguing against points that literally nobody in this thread is making. The entire point of citing the 100 million doses was to illustrate that vaccine production ramped up in a big way by March of 2021. That's it. The increased vaccine production and successful administration of 100 million doses was a pretty clear sign that we were making real progress toward widespread protection against infection and serious illness. Not that we were already there and nobody has said we were.

[justyouraveragetenant]

Originally Posted by jbgusa

Not always. Sometimes a certain saturation needs to be achieved to protect society. Smallpox and poliomyelitis are examples.

On another note, you are ideologically consistent. I am not. I am pro-vaccine, anti-lockdown and anti-mask. We will have to agree to disagree a lot of the time.

Ya I just want to add I believe enough people will volunteer for any vaccine look at how many wanted the COVID shot before it was mandated. Some believe polio was eradicated by better sanitation and not vaccines but I believe smallpox was successfully fought with vaccines. Even after people knew the COVID vaccine caused heart problems people still wanted to get it. People do what ever their doctor says.only a small percentage question recommendations. This is why vaccine mandates are not necessary.

[htfdcolt]

Originally Posted by justyouraveragetenant

Ya I just want to add I believe enough people will volunteer for any vaccine look at how many wanted the COVID shot before it was mandated. Some believe polio was eradicated by better sanitation and not vaccines but I believe smallpox was successfully fought with vaccines. Even after people knew the COVID vaccine caused heart problems people still wanted to get it. People do what ever their doctor says.only a small percentage question recommendations. This is why vaccine mandates are not necessary.

^"Some believe"--good thing that's not how we run medicine and public health, we'd still be in the dark ages.

[AtkinsonDan]

Originally Posted by massnative71

Our biggest mistake was not shutting the borders earlier, and not quarantining those people returning from China.

I remember our former president wanted to do exactly that ^^^ in early 2020 but the media and other politicians accused him of prejudice and racism.

[AtkinsonDan]

Originally Posted by BostonMike7

That's what I always wondered.


Create fear and panic over what? Given that Covid is essentially all but forgotten at this point, what was the end game? What final result did the authorities use covid to take advantage of?

The authorities and elites gained knowledge in the form of insight into who will be perfectly obedient and who won't be obedient.

[msRB311]

[quote=AtkinsonDan;65273062]I remember our former president wanted to do exactly that ^^^ in early 2020 but the media and other politicians accused him of prejudice and racism.[/QUOTE

yep. Maybe it would have been ok if he closed the border to white people.

[redplum33]

Originally Posted by redplum33

Whether taken at face value or not, your argument lacks merit.

And it's misleading to say "100 million doses is 100 million doses" when those 100 million doses were first shots and didn't provide protection.

50 million people getting 2 shots is very different from 100 million people getting 1 shot.

Originally Posted by lrfox

This isn't even close to what I was saying which is why I said earlier that "you're fighting ghosts." You're arguing against points that literally nobody in this thread is making. The entire point of citing the 100 million doses was to illustrate that vaccine production ramped up in a big way by March of 2021. That's it. The increased vaccine production and successful administration of 100 million doses was a pretty clear sign that we were making real progress toward widespread protection against infection and serious illness. Not that we were already there and nobody has said we were.

I'm not fighting ghosts. It's a crucial point in this discussion - even if you don't want to acknowledge that. The fact is, despite 100 million doses, it was still in its infancy. Everything was rushed and, being first shots, there wasn't anywhere near enough information at the time. Heck, AstroZeneca was an option. It would have been insane to even consider discussing rolling back restrictions.

[lrfox]

Originally Posted by AtkinsonDan

I remember our former president wanted to do exactly that ^^^ in early 2020 but the media and other politicians accused him of prejudice and racism.

He wanted to stop travel from China which just as much a political move (sticking it to China in the trade war) as it was for the benefit of public health. He didn't have any interest in stopping travel from Europe and the vast majority of the deadly cases in the Eastern U.S. were traced back to Italy.