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Old 10-19-2008, 11:02 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Why the shock? Are you aware of what G-dubs has done in the past 8 years to stop funding for the DOE's advanced energy research division?

Do you understand that if Carter funded the research to make us energy independent during his term that we would have saved over a trillion dollars? To put it in other words, if we would have been independent from foreign oil we would have saved over $1,000,000,000,000 in the past twenty years. That would only be on money sent away for oil, not money made from technology. Look into places like Golden, CO that G-dubs decided to shut down (and re-open later for photo-ops) and then take a look at what the Iraq war cost.

We could have been free from middle-eastern energy a long time ago if the money was spent well. The "fundamentals" of this economy don't support republican plans.
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Old 10-19-2008, 11:03 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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I don't think Powell or any other Republican would endorse such an extreme liberal if race wasn't involved in their decision.
I don't think you are a patriot.
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Old 10-19-2008, 11:06 PM
 
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Why the shock? Are you aware of what G-dubs has done in the past 8 years to stop funding for the DOE's advanced energy research division?

Do you understand that if Carter funded the research to make us energy independent during his term that we would have saved over a trillion dollars? To put it in other words, if we would have been independent from foreign oil we would have saved over $1,000,000,000,000 in the past twenty years. That would only be on money sent away for oil, not money made from technology. Look into places like Golden, CO that G-dubs decided to shut down (and re-open later for photo-ops) and then take a look at what the Iraq war cost.

We could have been free from middle-eastern energy a long time ago if the money was spent well. The "fundamentals" of this economy don't support republican plans.

I fully understand the idea behind it. It amounts to cutting of your foot because it itches.

We need something real not ideas that help destroy us in the process.

If Carter had taken a more gradual approach it might have been effective. He castrated us.
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Old 10-19-2008, 11:08 PM
 
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I don't think you are a patriot.
Why would you think that I am not a patriot? Is it because I don't like obama's socialist views?
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Old 10-19-2008, 11:19 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Bull. I'm tired of being called a racist on this board when that is so far from the truth it's not even funny. The racists are those voting for Obama only because he is black. I'm more intelligent than that. His race means nothing to me; if his political views matched mine, I would vote for him. But they do not. I would happily vote for Condi Rice and in fact I wanted so much to see an election with Condi Rice and Hillary Clinton as the candidates.

But I agree - Powell would not ever endorse a white Democratic candidate. It wouldn't happen.
If Obama were white he would spend his career doing sh*tty DUI cases in Chicago courts and deciding if he would vote for the necessarily black/female democratic candidate this fall and have his taxes raised and maybe increase his chances of getting replaced by an affirmative action hire or getting fired for making some innocent remark that gets misconstrued into a sexual harassment lawsuit by the chronically offended receptionist who really doesn't like her job because the white male lawyers who take out enormous student loans to get through law school while working two side jobs just have everything handed to them on a silver platter and won't even admit to the white male privilege that everyone knows they enjoy or the Republican ticket.
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Old 10-19-2008, 11:27 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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I fully understand the idea behind it. It amounts to cutting of your foot because it itches.

We need something real not ideas that help destroy us in the process.

If Carter had taken a more gradual approach it might have been effective. He castrated us.
expound on that please.

What castrated us?

How has the current administrations efforts to decrease federal funding for alternative fuels helped us? What would McCain do to reverse the trend and who would he appoint to ending our dependence on foreign energy? Palin? Meg Whitman?

Carters' approach was gradual it was ignored by the Reagan administration (the same Ronnie that lived in Santa Barbara and wouldn't let anymore rigs be built) and made us reliable on foreign oil.
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Old 10-19-2008, 11:30 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Why would you think that I am not a patriot? Is it because I don't like obama's socialist views?
No. It is because a patriotic viewpoint would debate the other side, rather then act superior to it.
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Old 10-19-2008, 11:34 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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If Obama were white he would spend his career doing sh*tty DUI cases in Chicago courts and deciding if he would vote for the necessarily black/female democratic candidate this fall and have his taxes raised and maybe increase his chances of getting replaced by an affirmative action hire or getting fired for making some innocent remark that gets misconstrued into a sexual harassment lawsuit by the chronically offended receptionist who really doesn't like her job because the white male lawyers who take out enormous student loans to get through law school while working two side jobs just have everything handed to them on a silver platter and won't even admit to the white male privilege that everyone knows they enjoy or the Republican ticket.
That might have been the most pointless post I've read on here so far today.

So if you were black I guess that would mean that you would probably be sucking money off the white man then huh?

And the republicans keep insisting that Obama is using the race card? Welcome to 2008. Things like that are not only racist, but reason enough to say that most of this country isn't pro-American. Move to Mexico on November 5th and take Hannity and Limbaugh with you. Prescription drugs are readily available so Rush will love it.
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Old 10-19-2008, 11:37 PM
 
Location: Fort Myers, FL
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Why the shock? Are you aware of what G-dubs has done in the past 8 years to stop funding for the DOE's advanced energy research division?

Do you understand that if Carter funded the research to make us energy independent during his term that we would have saved over a trillion dollars? To put it in other words, if we would have been independent from foreign oil we would have saved over $1,000,000,000,000 in the past twenty years. That would only be on money sent away for oil, not money made from technology. Look into places like Golden, CO that G-dubs decided to shut down (and re-open later for photo-ops) and then take a look at what the Iraq war cost.

We could have been free from middle-eastern energy a long time ago if the money was spent well. The "fundamentals" of this economy don't support republican plans.
it doesn't matter. the technology is already here. its a matter of deciding which to use. i for one would like to see solar be implemented into cars and homes. homes would be really easy to do with a federal tax credit for it. it would spawn a new industry overnight and everywhere. china has been pushing solar several years now and is having incredible success all across Europe. simple things like adding windows in factories along the top row of the building taking advantage of natural light. simple little things could change everything. another thing would be removed pink panther insulation as the standard and pushing that other stuff, the pink boards with foil on each side (15 X more efficient). that pink panther lobbyed their brand years ago. its time to update building codes.
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Old 10-19-2008, 11:39 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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....McCain.

Why? Quite a few reasons. I've thought about the people each man will call to serve in his administration. They are both surrounded by and have access to powerful and intelligent people. That might be a push.

I've thought about the balance of power; checks and balances as defined by our constitution. I don't like Nancy Pelosi and all she stands for and I don't want Congress to have a rubber-stamp relationship with a POTUS--and I think this will happen with Obama. So score one for McCain there.

But the biggie? As ambivalent as I am about the war in Iraq and as much as I wish we could just un-involve ourselves with little consequence--well I just don't think this can be done. And if Obama gets in office, decimates the military, eliminates the middle class and for all intents and purposes, changes the United States as we know it today from a formidable but benevelent country to one without power---well, it's going to unleash chaos in the world.

Right now, we may not be winning any popularity contests but I firmly believe a LOT of individual nutcases, organized terrorist cells, corrupt and power hungry countries, etc., are held in check by the "big bully across the pond". What would happen if they no longer feared the military power of the United States? I don't want to think about that.

So even though I fear that Obama will win this election and change the world as we know it today, I will be voting for McCain on November 4.
Good for you. With that kind of rationale, it's obvious you are among the many who have their feet firmly planted in the air.

Strength can be derived by many means, not just military might. We live a far more sophisticated society than WWII times. But leave it to the Republicans to maintain that the only way to maintain peace is to build up the military at the expense of everything else. We police the world, but are selective in our "humanitarian" aid. Be a lapdog for Israel, but shun our own inner cities. Place ourselves in Afghanistan and Iraq, places where we don't belong, yet ignore the greater atrocities in Africa. Pour billions into a failed military strategy and a surge, while our economy goes into a free fall. Bigger guns don't defeat ideologies. This country is bleeding to death because of the incredibly pour judgment and decision-making of the idiots in power the last 8 years: Republicans.

About Iraq, we need to get the hell out of there, no question. We are in a part of the world we know nothing about. It would take someone like Obama to resolve the differences without causing this country to bleed to death.

So vote for McCain and be part of the problem. What a waste.

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