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Yeah, we would rather see ugly ports in New Jersey than in our own back yard. Look how great the entire neighborhood of Elisabeth, Carteret, Irvington looks as a result....
Yes, New York has been always spilling over but mostly towards Long Island (anyone heard of Levitttown) and north to picturesque communities of Connecticut and Westchester, that's what the Metro North was build for. New Jersey has always been considered to ugly to be a valid residential expansion area but good for ports and factories. Just look at Jersey City, Newark, Irvington, Elisabeth, Carteret, Bayonne, Harrison, Passaic....
Anyway you look at at it New York was a thriving city well before North Jersey was a state or before it become ubranized... You were the Garden State, remember?
Well, first: North Jersey isn't a state. And secondly, New Amst was perhaps a thriving 'town' before NJ but it certainly wasn't the metropolis we now know as NYC lol
NY boomed during/after Ind Rev (which was heavily influenced by NJ in Paterson)
New Jersey's overall location was obviously ideal. You could choose anywhere else in NY state to place NYC, and still come to a conclusion that bordering New Jersey is the most ideal location for a city.
You have the opportunity to feed off beneficial land in case of urban flooding that would be able to lead out into the rest of the country (NJ) rather than relying on the more isolated Long Island to handle it
Industry is New Jersey's strength. New Jersey has the largest and busiest ports on the east coast (Newark-Elizabeth) that handle manufacture and trade. New Jersey was able to provide more productive sea ports in the Newark Bay that the New York Bay couldn't handle. NYC feeds off New Jersey more so than their own state, the urban flooding of NYC spills into New Jersey more than anywhere else. This obviously shows that the westward expansion into NJ is ideal to handle growth in NYC.
I concur. And it's also why I think NJ culture and NY culture, while not the same, are certainly connected. Whether we/they like it or not.
So to ask: who is more culturally significant (especially with Manhattan excluded) isn't an easy question.
I concur. And it's also why I think NJ culture and NY culture, while not the same, are certainly connected. Whether we/they like it or not.
So to ask: who is more culturally significant (especially with Manhattan excluded) isn't an easy question.
Your concurring with something that is wrong. At least the second line about "you can still come to a conclusion that bordering New Jersey is the most ideal location for a city".
If New Jersey did not exist, New York City would still be where it is today. Most likely there would even be 6 boroughs, including Hudson County. But the city exists today because it is a great place to put a city, not because of a state boundary. As I mentioned, the city was settled before the states were established.
But I do agree with you about the cultures being connected.
Your concurring with something that is wrong. At least the second line about "you can still come to a conclusion that bordering New Jersey is the most ideal location for a city".
If New Jersey did not exist, New York City would still be where it is today. Most likely there would even be 6 boroughs, including Hudson County. But the city exists today because it is a great place to put a city, not because of a state boundary. As I mentioned, the city was settled before the states were established.
But I do agree with you about the cultures being connected.
It would still exist but it may not be as great as a city, hard to tell condsidering it is a hypothetical question and these events took place hundreds of years ago.
Your concurring with something that is wrong. At least the second line about "you can still come to a conclusion that bordering New Jersey is the most ideal location for a city".
If New Jersey did not exist, New York City would still be where it is today. Most likely there would even be 6 boroughs, including Hudson County. But the city exists today because it is a great place to put a city, not because of a state boundary. As I mentioned, the city was settled before the states were established.
But I do agree with you about the cultures being connected.
Like Guardian stated, I'm sure it would exist as well. But whose to say what kind of city it would be.
Hell, there probably would've been 6 boroughs indeed, but then again there may have been a West Jersey city that could have grown from west to east. We'll never know lol.
In an eight-year period, 2000 to 2008, 1,538,274 New Yorkers left the Empire State, unhappy about high taxes and high housing costs, and almost 172,000 of them took up residence in New Jersey. As best as can be calculated, most have higher than average incomes, so New York's loss was New Jersey's gain, because that was a lot of state income tax and sales taxes from the spending power of those migrants lost to New York.
Check the link and do some reading...you seem a bit...out of touch.
Yeah, I am sure website like NorthJersey.com is very in touch and most importantly objective
I know many New Jerseyans complaining about high taxes, expensive car insurance and indolent. corrupt administrations. It seem like nothing ever changes in New Jersey. Let me think, do I want a longer commute, paying taxes in both states and living amongts people mostly interested in quality of their lawns... No, thanks.
[quote=yourfriendly;12265022]yeah. rich New Yorkers build the Hamptons and made southern Connecticut, White Plains what it is today. Incredibly affluent and organized areas.
Even today there are not that many native New Yorkers in Hoboken, mostly transplants from other states. New York City has other traditional areas of flight to the burbs and New Jersey has never been one of them.[/quote]
Wow...you have no idea what you're talking about.
Tons, TONS of NYers move to NJ. TONS.
Congrats ... you win the troll of the week award!!
I agree: you have no idea. You don't know that the developemnts on Hudson river are less then 20 years old. The area looked like a huge abandonded factory plant, ugly as it gets. That Hoboken before gientrification was a complete dump nobody wnated to hear about and other towns on Paths route like Harrison and Jersey City and Newark continue to be mostly dumps until today.
Is Newark really an appealing place for anybody to move today?
Compare it to picturesque towns of south-eastern Connecticut, convenietly connected to the city by Metro North or Westchester County Do you see any difference?
Yes, there always were appealing areas of New Jersey but far away from mass transit that turned southeastern Connecticut into beatiful New York suburb..
Connecticut??
Have you been to Bergen County? LOL. Much closer than southeastern Connecticut, and ON train routes, and equally as nice (and wealthy).
Most of Northern NJ is leafy, bucolic suburbs (and much closer to Manhattan than both Connecticut and Long Island). Really not sure what, or where, you are looking.
There is a reason (or rather, many reasons) as to why NJ is the wealthiest state in the US.
Is BK really that far from Mount Vernon? I live in England, my geography is rubbish and have invited my FB friends to an event. If could, I would be there myself!
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