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View Poll Results: Which NE City would work best for middle class black Family?
New York City 49 14.41%
Philadelphia 176 51.76%
Boston 35 10.29%
Providence 10 2.94%
Harrisburg 11 3.24%
Newark 21 6.18%
Wilmington 20 5.88%
Jersey City 18 5.29%
Voters: 340. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 10-18-2022, 10:49 AM
 
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Using 2021 1 year information for Westchester County, the median household income figure is $77,064: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19013B
and the median family income figure is $112,848: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19113B

As you likely know, places/areas like northern and eastern Mount Vernon, western and northern New Rochelle, the town of Greenburgh(including the village of Elmsford and vicinity, the Parkway Homes/Parkway Gardens area, etc.); northern Peekskill, northern Pelham, parts of White Plains north and east of Downtown and the Runyan Heights neighborhood of Yonkers are some with quite substantial to predominantly black middle class areas in the county.

For Suffolk County, the household income is $94,675: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19013B
and family income figure is $113,101: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19113B

For Suffolk County, Wheatley Heights, the Belmont Park/northern West Babylon area, SE Deer Park, southern Greenlawn/western Elwood, Gordon Heights, SW Central Islip, parts of North Bellport, parts of North Amityville, parts of Sag Harbor and some other parts of the Hamptons are some examples in that county.
Just to throw out some other counties using 2021 1 year information...

Suffolk County MA, household, $57,197: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19013B
Family, $78,348: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19113B

Plymouth County MA, household, $69,026: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19013B
Family, $82,674: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19113B

Norfolk County MA, household, $86,335: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19013B
Family, $115,814: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19113B (primarily in Randolph, Stoughton, Milton, Avon and even Holbrook)

Providence County RI, household, $56,172: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19013B
Family, $73,489: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19113B

Hartford County CT, household, $58,425: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19013B
Family, $69,205: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19113B

Fairfield County CT, household, $65,387: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19013B
Family, $77,948: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19113B

New Haven County CT, household, $55,754: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19013B
Family, $74,143: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19113B

Essex County NJ, household, $49,764: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19013B
Family, $61,503: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19113B

Hudson County NJ, household, $59,448: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19013B
Family, $69,992: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19113B

Bergen County NJ, household, $95,168: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19013B
Family, $116,037: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19113B (primarily in Teaneck, Englewood and even Hackensack)

Union County NJ, household, $74,332: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19013B
Family, $89,263: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19113B

Middlesex County NJ, household, $86,430: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19013B
Family, $101,634: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19113B (primarily Piscataway, North Brunswick, South Plainfield and even Edison, Sayreville and Woodbridge)

Somerset County NJ, household, $76,015: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19013B
Family, $86,197: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19113B

Burlington County NJ, household, $81,214: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19013B
Family, $97,672: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19113B

Camden County NJ, household, $62,082: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19013B
Family, $74,410: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19113B

Delaware County PA, household, $47,193: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19013B
Family, $59,265: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19113B

Montgomery County PA, household, $60,670: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19013B
Family, $81,757: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19113B

Dauphin County PA, household, $50,166: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19013B
Family, $61,339: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19113B

New Castle County DE, household $58,948: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19013B
Family, $78,753: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19113B
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Old 10-18-2022, 11:49 AM
 
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Just to throw out some other counties using 2021 1 year information...

Suffolk County MA, household, $57,197: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19013B
Family, $78,348: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19113B

Plymouth County MA, household, $69,026: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19013B
Family, $82,674: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19113B

Norfolk County MA, household, $86,335: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19013B
Family, $115,814: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19113B (primarily in Randolph, Stoughton, Milton, Avon and even Holbrook)


Providence County RI, household, $56,172: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19013B
Family, $73,489: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19113B

Hartford County CT, household, $58,425: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19013B
Family, $69,205: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19113B

Fairfield County CT, household, $65,387: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19013B
Family, $77,948: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19113B

New Haven County CT, household, $55,754: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19013B
Family, $74,143: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19113B

Essex County NJ, household, $49,764: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19013B
Family, $61,503: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19113B

Hudson County NJ, household, $59,448: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19013B
Family, $69,992: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19113B

Bergen County NJ, household, $95,168: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19013B
Family, $116,037: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19113B (primarily in Teaneck, Englewood and even Hackensack)

Union County NJ, household, $74,332: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19013B
Family, $89,263: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19113B

Middlesex County NJ, household, $86,430: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19013B
Family, $101,634: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19113B (primarily Piscataway, North Brunswick, South Plainfield and even Edison, Sayreville and Woodbridge)

Somerset County NJ, household, $76,015: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19013B
Family, $86,197: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19113B

Burlington County NJ, household, $81,214: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19013B
Family, $97,672: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19113B

Camden County NJ, household, $62,082: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19013B
Family, $74,410: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19113B

Delaware County PA, household, $47,193: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19013B
Family, $59,265: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19113B

Montgomery County PA, household, $60,670: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19013B
Family, $81,757: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19113B

Dauphin County PA, household, $50,166: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19013B
Family, $61,339: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19113B

New Castle County DE, household $58,948: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19013B
Family, $78,753: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19113B
Yea the Black population of Norfolk County Ma is basically exclusively Middle and Upper Middle-Class Black people. It doesn't have a Brockton like Plymouth County or a Roxbury, Mattapan, and Chelsea like Suffolks County

And also only ~50-52% of the black population in the county is in those towns. Quite a few towns have more blacks than Holbrook and Avon but their larger towns so it's a smaller percentage. The 2nd largest population of Black in Norfolks County is in

Quincy with 5,700+ Blacks (, non-mixed race)


Stoughton has 5,250
Milton has 3,720
Weymouth has 2,790
Norwood has 2,420
Canton has 2,220
Brookline has 2,070
Holbrook has 1,720
Dedham has 1,580
Braintree has 1,330
Avon only has 910


Randolph has 15,120


Its really just Eastern Norfolk County in General. Brockton sits on the southern border of that part of Norfolk County in Plymouth County.
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Old 10-18-2022, 01:25 PM
 
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Yea the Black population of Norfolk County Ma is basically exclusively Middle and Upper Middle-Class Black people. It doesn't have a Brockton like Plymouth County or a Roxbury, Mattapan, and Chelsea like Suffolks County

And also only ~50-52% of the black population in the county is in those towns. Quite a few towns have more blacks than Holbrook and Avon but their larger towns so it's a smaller percentage. The 2nd largest population of Black in Norfolks County is in

Quincy with 5,700+ Blacks (, non-mixed race)


Stoughton has 5,250
Milton has 3,720
Weymouth has 2,790
Norwood has 2,420
Canton has 2,220
Brookline has 2,070
Holbrook has 1,720
Dedham has 1,580
Braintree has 1,330
Avon only has 910


Randolph has 15,120


Its really just Eastern Norfolk County in General. Brockton sits on the southern border of that part of Norfolk County in Plymouth County.
Yeah, the reason I just mentioned those places is due to having the highest percentages, as all of them are well above the national black percentage.

Like you mentioned though, the other towns/cities have visible black populations as well. So, some may go with those communities within the county too.
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Old 10-18-2022, 01:45 PM
 
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Using 2021 1 year information for Westchester County, the median household income figure is $77,064: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19013B
and the median family income figure is $112,848: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19113B

As you likely know, places/areas like northern and eastern Mount Vernon, western and northern New Rochelle, the town of Greenburgh(including the village of Elmsford and vicinity, the Parkway Homes/Parkway Gardens area, etc.); northern Peekskill, northern Pelham, parts of White Plains north and east of Downtown and the Runyan Heights neighborhood of Yonkers are some with quite substantial to predominantly black middle class areas in the county.

For Suffolk County, the household income is $94,675: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19013B
and family income figure is $113,101: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19113B

For Suffolk County, Wheatley Heights, the Belmont Park/northern West Babylon area, SE Deer Park, southern Greenlawn/western Elwood, Gordon Heights, SW Central Islip, parts of North Bellport, parts of North Amityville, parts of Sag Harbor and some other parts of the Hamptons are some examples in that county.
Thanks. I was just in Queens and Long Island this past week. Some very nice, diverse and safe neighborhoods. Easy commutes into the city as well (LIRR). As mentioned before NYC's suburbs (and more suburban parts of the city like NE Bronx, SE Queens, and Southern Brooklyn) are underrated for the black middle / upper middle class.
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Old 10-19-2022, 01:00 PM
 
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Thanks. I was just in Queens and Long Island this past week. Some very nice, diverse and safe neighborhoods. Easy commutes into the city as well (LIRR). As mentioned before NYC's suburbs (and more suburban parts of the city like NE Bronx, SE Queens, and Southern Brooklyn) are underrated for the black middle / upper middle class.
That is also considering that there are many places in NJ that are close to NYC and would appeal to such families. It is a side of the NYC area that doesn't get talk about too much for some reason.
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Old 10-27-2022, 11:10 AM
 
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Using 2021 1 year information for Westchester County, the median household income figure is $77,064: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19013B
and the median family income figure is $112,848: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19113B

As you likely know, places/areas like northern and eastern Mount Vernon, western and northern New Rochelle, the town of Greenburgh(including the village of Elmsford and vicinity, the Parkway Homes/Parkway Gardens area, etc.); northern Peekskill, northern Pelham, parts of White Plains north and east of Downtown and the Runyan Heights neighborhood of Yonkers are some with quite substantial to predominantly black middle class areas in the county.

For Suffolk County, the household income is $94,675: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19013B
and family income figure is $113,101: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19113B

For Suffolk County, Wheatley Heights, the Belmont Park/northern West Babylon area, SE Deer Park, southern Greenlawn/western Elwood, Gordon Heights, SW Central Islip, parts of North Bellport, parts of North Amityville, parts of Sag Harbor and some other parts of the Hamptons are some examples in that county.
Here is some cultural/historical information for Westchester County: https://www.visitwestchesterny.com/t...rican-history/

https://www.dafcogallery.com/ (White Plains)

https://www.gordonparksfoundation.org (Pleasantville)

https://www.mvacs.co/ (Mount Vernon)

https://acbaw.org/ (Mount Vernon)

https://blackwestchester.com/ (Mount Vernon)

and Suffolk County: https://saamuseum.org/

https://www.eastvillehistorical.org/

history of a community in the county: https://bronx.news12.com/east-end-la...-1927-41703483
table of content
some recent information: https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...on-heights-ny/
the school district it is in: https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000037570
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000037570

https://www.aaecfinc.org/ (Riverhead)

https://www.eastendbeacon.com/celebr...their-stories/ (Riverhead)
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I wish I could find the post with information for this census tract on Syracuse’s East Side, but due to a response in another thread in terms of educational attainment, another thing I found to be interesting about it is that black men have a higher number and percentage of having a Bachelors degree or above than black women according to 2020 5 year census information: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...0US36067003602

This is the black median household income and black family median household income for the same period for that census tract: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19013B

https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B

Demographics: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...NNIALPL2020.P1 (2020 census and more in line with historical information)

https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...SDP5Y2020.DP05 (2020 5 year data)

So, this is a predominantly black, middle class census tract with a relatively high black educational attainment and with black males having a higher number/percentage. This doesn’t get into having these things in the tract or other parts of the neighborhood: http://www.syrgov.net/parks/homerwheatonPark.html

https://teampages.com/organizations/4111
https://www.syracuse.com/sports/2018...tos_video.html

https://bethanybaptistsyrny.org/church_history

https://www.onlib.org/locations/city...branch-library

https://www.syracusecityschools.com/hwsmith
https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000040886
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000040886

A college next to the tract: https://www.lemoyne.edu/
https://lemoynedolphins.com/
https://www.syracuse.com/sports/2022...outputType=amp
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Here are some places based upon 2021 1 year census information in terms of median black family income...

New Rochelle NY: $175,290: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19113B

Mount Vernon NY: $100,062: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19113B

Brockton MA: $80,140: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19113B

Pawtucket RI: $75,836: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19113B

Norwalk CT, $80,203: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19113B

I'll try to add more, as other places get updated.
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According to this "small towns" list, Uniondale NY on Long Island makes it, but there are other options nearby that are viewed as being better options:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeXEcFJrc6s

The black median household income for Uniondale according to 2020 5 year census information was $95,110: https://data.census.gov/table?q=unio...5Y2020.B19013B
and the black family median household income for the same time period was $103,125: https://data.census.gov/table?q=unio...5Y2020.B19113B

Public school information: https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000049792
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000049792
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000049792
https://district.uniondaleschools.org/
https://district.uniondaleschools.or...meet_the_board

If they don't go with the public schools, I believe some are going with this charter option: https://academycharterschool.org/
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000090128
https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000090128

https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000063985
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000063985

or to these private options: https://www.kellenberg.org/
https://nces.ed.gov/globallocator/sc...te&ID=00931368

https://holytrinityhs.org/
https://nces.ed.gov/globallocator/sc...te&ID=00930342
Known for its Football program that gets kids from other nearby communities with similar black middle class populations: https://holytrinityhs.org/football
https://ec-prod-sites.s3.amazonaws.c...l%20Roster.pdf
Head coach: https://holytrinityhs.org/people/kahmal-roy

https://trinityli.org/
https://nces.ed.gov/globallocator/sc...te&ID=00938432

https://www.sacredheartacademyli.org/
https://nces.ed.gov/globallocator/sc...te&ID=00930331

Map: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Un...!4d-73.5931669 (places like Baldwin, parts of Roosevelt, parts of Hempstead, northern Freeport, Lakeview, northern Westbury, West Hempstead, Elmont and the Valley Streams have/is where there are substantial to predominantly black middle class populations)

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Old 11-21-2022, 06:03 PM
 
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Here are some places based upon 2021 1 year census information in terms of median black family income...

New Rochelle NY: $175,290: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...1Y2021.B19113B
I knew New Rochelle was a fairly nice and relatively diverse suburban city, but I didn’t realize it was such a hotbed for Black affluence! That’s up there with the most upscale parts of Prince George’s County, I would think.
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