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View Poll Results: Which NE City would work best for middle class black Family?
New York City 49 14.37%
Philadelphia 176 51.61%
Boston 36 10.56%
Providence 10 2.93%
Harrisburg 11 3.23%
Newark 21 6.16%
Wilmington 20 5.87%
Jersey City 18 5.28%
Voters: 341. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-01-2023, 12:39 PM
 
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Here is some cultural/historical information for Westchester County: https://www.visitwestchesterny.com/t...rican-history/

https://www.dafcogallery.com/ (White Plains)

https://www.gordonparksfoundation.org (Pleasantville)

https://www.mvacs.co/ (Mount Vernon)

https://acbaw.org/ (Mount Vernon)

https://blackwestchester.com/ (Mount Vernon)

and Suffolk County: https://saamuseum.org/

https://www.eastvillehistorical.org/

history of a community in the county: https://bronx.news12.com/east-end-la...-1927-41703483
table of content
some recent information: https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...on-heights-ny/
the school district it is in: https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000037570
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000037570

https://www.aaecfinc.org/ (Riverhead)

https://www.eastendbeacon.com/celebr...their-stories/ (Riverhead)
More on the bolded media outlet...

https://blackwestchester.com/

https://www.youtube.com/@BlackWestchester/featured
https://www.youtube.com/@BlackWestchester/videos
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Old 03-06-2023, 02:44 PM
 
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In terms of viewing walkability, this could be a good source to look at: https://epa.maps.arcgis.com/home/web...80cfd4be9f0bba

https://www.epa.gov/smartgrowth/nati...nd-methodology

https://www.epa.gov/smartgrowth/smart-location-mapping
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Old 03-07-2023, 10:26 AM
 
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The information Montclair18 posted in the LA white wealth/DC black wealth thread made me think of measuring this by Urban Area/Urban Cluster. In the Census, they also have Urban Clusters, which includes standalone population concentrations of at least 2500 people, as the Census defines urban as a municipality/place with at least 2500 people as "urban" and up to 49,999 people.

So, an example related to this thread is the Chester NY Urban Cluster, which has a little over 5500 people and is 12.7% black(along & in combo) and has a black family median income of $128,684 according to US Census 2021 5 year information. For those wondering where it is located, it is south of Middletown and in the Poughkeepsie-Newburgh-Middletown NY metro area. So, there may be others like Chester out there with a substantial black population and high black family incomes. https://data.census.gov/table?t=Blac...5Y2021.B19113B

https://data.census.gov/table?t=Blac...SDP5Y2021.DP05

Location: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ch...6zL20vMDFtZjBm

An other example that was posted in that other thread was Elmira NY, another Urban Area according to 2021 1 year information that is 10.8% black(alone & in combo) and had a black median family income of $96,375: https://data.census.gov/table?t=Blac...1Y2021.B19113B (2021 5 year is much lower though)

https://data.census.gov/table?t=Blac...SDP1Y2021.DP05

Another Urban Area in the region the East Stroudsburg PA-NJ Urbanized Area which is 20.2% black(alone & in combo) and has a black family median income of $103,211(2021 5 year info.): https://data.census.gov/table?t=Blac...400XX00US25849

https://data.census.gov/table?t=Blac...5Y2021.B19113B

Location: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ea...%2Fm%2F020scb4

So, there may be others like Chester and East Stroudsburg out there with a substantial black population and high black family incomes.
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Old 03-07-2023, 12:51 PM
 
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Area South of Boston, Median Black Family Income contiguous area.

https://censusreporter.org/data/dist...00US2502111315

Randolph $97k
Holbrook $106k
Stoughton $114k
Milton $145k
Canton $113k

Total Black Population ~30,000 or ~23%
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Old 03-08-2023, 08:07 AM
 
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Here is a similar concentration in Nassau County NY on Long island: https://censusreporter.org/data/dist...16000US3641003

That concentration of communities is a little over 37% black non Hispanic alone and likely goes over 40% when including black Hispanics and those in combination. That is out of a little over 213,000 people. Could have included Westbury as well, which touches Uniondale.

Another centration in that county next to SE Queens: https://censusreporter.org/data/map/...16000US3669023

That concentration is just under 37% black non Hispanic alone and likely goes over 40% with more diasporic numbers. This is out of 104,063 people.

Not only are they in the same county, but are also in the same town(ship)(the town of Hempstead).
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Old 03-14-2023, 10:41 AM
 
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Before I touch the bolded information in regards to another NY State city, here are some related organizations/media: https://www.facebook.com/jackandjillsyracuse/

https://www.facebook.com/SyracuseLinksInc/

https://100blackmensyr.org/
https://www.facebook.com/100blackmensyr/

https://www.cuseculture.com/

https://www.urbancny.com/

BlackOwnedSyracuse.com - Your #1 Source for Everything Locally Black-Owned

Among others...Something to keep in mind is that Syracuse's black percentage from 1980-2010 doubled from 15.5% to 31.1%(black alone and in combination non-Hispanic). So, this is a city that has seen its black population grow: https://s4.ad.brown.edu/projects/div...cityid=3673000 and in turn, political/leadership representation has grown.

As for the Say Yes to Education Program, which is the bolded information and could apply to anyone, Buffalo also has this scholarship program citywide. https://sayyestoeducation.org/where-we-work/

Buffalo site info: https://sayyesbuffalo.org/
https://sayyesbuffalo.org/scholarships/eligibility/
https://sayyesbuffalo.org/scholarshi...lege-partners/

So, let's look at high schools and eligibility. Buffalo is interesting in that it has its share of good magnet HS's and some good charter schools that are also a part of the program. Some schools that would be good options are; City Honors(arguably the best high school in NY State many years): https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000052908
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000052908
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000052908
https://cityhonors.org/

Frederick Olmsted: https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000052936
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000052936
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000052936
https://www.buffaloschools.org/PS156

Hutchinson Central Tech(aka Hutch Tech): https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000052911
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000052911
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000052911
https://www.buffaloschools.org/PS304

Leonardo Da Vinci: https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000052894
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000052894
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000052894
https://www.buffaloschools.org/PS212
https://www.buffaloschools.org/domain/9054

Visual & Performing Arts(aka Arts Academy): https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000052923
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000052923
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000052923
https://www.buffaloartsacademy.org/

Culinary Arts & Hospitality: https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000090408
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000090408
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000090408
https://www.buffaloschools.org/ps355

Middle Early College(can get an Associates when you graduate): https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000074796
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000074796
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000074796
https://www.buffaloschools.org/PS335

and even Emerson School of Hospitality: https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000052910
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000052910
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000052910
https://www.buffaloschools.org/Domain/6362

Then, you have charter options within the city that qualify such as; Buffalo Academy of Science: https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000057454
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000057454
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000057454
https://buffsci.org/

Charter School of Applied Technology: https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000051942
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000051942
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000051942
https://www.csat-k12.org/

Health Sciences: https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000065871
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000065871
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000065871
https://www.healthsciencescharterschool.org/ (known for good Basketball program and combo Football program with WNY Maritime Charter)

Tapestry: https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000052433
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000052433
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000052433
https://tapestryschool.org/ (known for good Basketball and Girls Track teams)

WNY Maritime: https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000057456
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000057456
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000057456
https://www.wnymcs.com/

So, if you go with the city of Buffalo, you have plenty of non private options and all would allow you to qualify for the scholarship program. Some that go private may go with city schools such as Canisius(all male, good Football program), Bishop Timon-St. Jude in South Buffalo, The Nichols School, Nardin(girls), Mount Mercy(girls), Academy of the Sacred Heart(girls) or if they go outside of the city schools such as The Park School(very good Boys Basketball program), Cardinal O'Hara in Tonawanda(very good Girls Basketball program), St. Joe's in Kenmore(boys, good Football program), St. Francis(boys, also known for Football program) and St. Mary's in Lancaster.

As for the city in relation to the thread, I'd say that North Buffalo, Elmwood Village, Parkside, Central Park(neighborhood), the NE corner of the city(parts of University/University Heights, Kensington Heights), Linwood and parts of the Allentown and Hamlin Park neighborhoods would have a presence of such families. Hamlin Park is actually a historically designated neighborhood with a long history of having a black middle class, with some streets retaining that character better than others: https://buffaloah.com/h/hamln/hamlin.html

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ha...6!4d-78.846758

https://www.buffalorising.com/2013/0...y-considering/

https://www.facebook.com/HamlinParkHD/

https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...-5202-erie-ny/ (northern part of neighborhood has a presence of Canisius College off campus students impacting the numbers)

A black owned cafe in the neighborhood: https://www.emteacoffeecup.com/


Nearby Parkside across Main Street is another historic style neighborhood with a long time and visible black middle class due to the neighbors standing firm in staying the neighborhood versus leaving: https://parksidebuffalo.org/index.php

https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...-5201-erie-ny/

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Pa...!4d-78.8467579

Both are along the Metro Rail line as well: https://metro.nfta.com/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffal...f%20the%20city.
A couple of nearby stops: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delava...ollege_station
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humbol...spital_station

Linwood is also along the line and near both of those neighborhoods: https://buffaloah.com/a/landmks/lin.html
https://www.historiclinwood.org/

The eastern half of these middle class census tracts cover much of the neighborhood(in between Delaware and Main) and it is also very close to Elmwood Village: https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...t-169-erie-ny/

https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...-6602-erie-ny/

A street view: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9153...7i13312!8i6656

Elmwood Village info: https://elmwoodvillage.org/

https://www.google.com/maps/place/El...!4d-78.8750644

In the NE corner of the city next to Cheektowaga's Cleveland Hill community is the Kensington Heights area, which has is a predominantly black area with a middle class presence. A street view just within the neighborhood: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9458...7i13312!8i6656
https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...oup-4-erie-ny/

Keep in mind that this is a city with around 100,000 black residents, give or take/who you include(about 36-40% of the city) and quite a bit of black people in leadership positions(mayor, police chief, school superintendent, city council president(also a prominent pastor in the city), a deputy fire commissioner, President of Buffalo State College(about 33% of students are black), etc.

There's also this district trying to get off the ground: https://www.michiganstreetbuffalo.org/

Which includes this black woman owned radio station: https://www.power965radio.com/

Once things open up, you are less than 100 miles from Downtown Toronto and for the family, there's Niagara Falls, Darien Lake amusement park, historical sites, etc.

If you want suburbs, Eggertsville in Amherst(Amherst Central SD, very good schools), Cleveland Hill in Cheektowaga(Cleveland Hill SD, solid schools), the Sweet Home SD in Amherst(solid/good schools), Cheektowaga Central SD(solid schools) and Maryvale SD in Cheektowaga(solid schools) are suburbs with higher black populations that others. Williamsville SD is arguably the area's top SD and has historically been another suburban SD where some athletes/coaches/professionals have lived, with the zones for South and North Highs having more of a presence. Some go with the Kenmore-Tonawanda SD, with Kenmore West having more of a presence historically; Cheektowaga-Sloan and West Seneca Schools as well. Lackawanna is a steel town that has had a long time and quite visible black population that is largely concentrated on its west side(known for having some very good Football teams at times). Ironically, a lot of the Bills players live near the stadium/facility in the Southtowns(Orchard Park and Hamburg) south of the city, while most of these listed suburbs are North/NE/East of the city.

More: https://stepoutbuffalo.com/guide-to-...upport-in-wny/

https://thechallengernews.com/

https://wblk.com/

https://www.radio.com/classicrbbuffalo

https://reachgospelradio.com/coverage-map/

https://www.facebook.com/ThatBrownBag/
https://thechallengernews.com/2018/08/1871/

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...JAqBQ/htmlview

https://www.aaccbuffalo.org/

So, this is another example of how there is some balance in regards to the black population of a Northeastern city/area.
A video that mentions the bolded neighborhood:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZljpwCdH4LA

and here is some information about Buffalo State: https://nces.ed.gov/globallocator/co....asp?ID=196130
https://president.buffalostate.edu/
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In terms of culture, here are some places in terms of the arts in Upstate NY...

Auburn's Tubman Troupe to return with first show in three years: https://auburnpub.com/entertainment/...9530b4d89c1102

Also, here are some arts based companies/organizations from Buffalo: https://www.aaccbuffalo.org/
https://www.paulrobesontheatre.org/
https://www.ujimacoinc.org/
https://www.thecoloredmusiciansclub.com/

Rochester: https://www.garthfagandance.org/
https://www.avenuetheatre.org/

Syracuse: The PRPAC – The Paul Robeson Performing Arts Company Syracuse, New York
https://communityfolkartcenter.org/

Albany: https://www.blackdimensionsinart.org/

Schenectady: https://hamiltonhillartscenter.org/

Musicians and artists from and/or living in the Hudson Valley: https://www.chronogram.com/arts/blac...alley-10743363
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Old 03-28-2023, 12:58 PM
 
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Here is some median family income information for some census tracts with higher median household incomes in NW Philadelphia: https://censusreporter.org/data/dist...0US42101023700

A few from Newark: https://censusreporter.org/data/dist...0US34013023100

A few from Jersey City: https://censusreporter.org/data/dist...0US34017006102

A couple in Wilmington: https://censusreporter.org/data/dist...0US10003002700
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Old 03-28-2023, 09:05 PM
 
Location: Germantown, Philadelphia
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Here is some median family income information for some census tracts with higher median household incomes in NW Philadelphia: https://censusreporter.org/data/dist...0US42101023700

A few from Newark: https://censusreporter.org/data/dist...0US34013023100

A few from Jersey City: https://censusreporter.org/data/dist...0US34017006102

A couple in Wilmington: https://censusreporter.org/data/dist...0US10003002700
The most affluent Philadelphia Census tract you chose actually sits at the top of North Philadelphia.

It's in East Oak Lane, the affluent, overwhelmingly Black neighborhood I call "the city's best-kept secret."
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Old 03-29-2023, 12:06 PM
 
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The most affluent Philadelphia Census tract you chose actually sits at the top of North Philadelphia.

It's in East Oak Lane, the affluent, overwhelmingly Black neighborhood I call "the city's best-kept secret."
Nice looking area: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.0572...7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.0550...7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.0536...7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.0594...7i16384!8i8192

Also, here is some median family income information for a set of continuous and primarily predominantly black census tracts in the eastern portion of Mount Vernon NY: https://censusreporter.org/data/dist...0US36119003200 (Oakwood Heights/Vernon Heights)

A good portion of these census tracts are upwards of 80-85% black, non Hispanic alone. Out of all of the tracts selected, only one is in plurality(48% b, nH alone), with the rest at 59%-85% b, nH alone. The bulk of that area straddles zip codes that are 73%(10553) and 68%(10550) black, non Hispanic alone(76% and 72.2% inc. alone and in combo). There are some businesses and an African American Club on East 3rd Street, as well as some big box shopping on East Sandiford Boulevard in that area of town. This may be one of the better examples of a "suburban city" in the region with a relative concentration of a highly black, middle class presence in town. Mount Vernon is 62.1% black(alone and in combo, 56.6% alone 2021 5 year info./62.4%-2020 info). It is also the 9th biggest city in NY State and is one of the top 100 most population dense municipalities in the country(just under 74,000 people in 4 square miles). Some street views: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.9156...7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.9138...7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8952...7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.9070...7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.9079...7i16384!8i8192

You can also view the census tract location by clicking on the Map tab and can find out more information on a census tract by clicking on a button on the distribution line and then clicking on the census tract heading.

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