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View Poll Results: Which NE City would work best for middle class black Family?
New York City 49 14.41%
Philadelphia 176 51.76%
Boston 35 10.29%
Providence 10 2.94%
Harrisburg 11 3.24%
Newark 21 6.18%
Wilmington 20 5.88%
Jersey City 18 5.29%
Voters: 340. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 07-09-2023, 06:13 PM
 
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Interesting, as I’m surprised that there hasn’t been a push for more charter options in the district. I say this, because black students in charter schools in NY State generally do better than those in regular public schools, if not in general.

Also, in terms of the smaller communities mentioned with under 10,000 people and that are at least 40% black, I know that the school district Wheatley Heights is in(Half Hollow Hills), is highly regarded and the district that Lakeview is in(Malverne) has improved over the years and has good general results.

Malvern is a nice town but I would not recommend it for the purpose of this threat. it's an affluent small town on the mainline that is 90% white.

Malvern Prep's student body is 90% white, and the Great Valley school district in the area has a student population that is 60% white and only 2% Black.


If you want a safe neighborhood in the city that offers a suburban-like lifestyle, is budget-friendly, diverse, and provides big city amenities, I'd recommend Mt. Airy. Malvern is like the last place I'd suggest to a middle class black family.

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Old 07-09-2023, 07:41 PM
 
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Malvern is a nice town but I would not recommend it for the purpose of this threat. it's an affluent small town on the mainline that is 90% white.

Malvern Prep's student body is 90% white, and the Great Valley school district in the area has a student population that is 60% white and only 2% Black.


If you want a safe neighborhood in the city that offers a suburban-like lifestyle, is budget-friendly, diverse, and provides big city amenities, I'd recommend Mt. Airy. Malvern is like the last place I'd suggest to a middle class black family.
I’m referring to the Malverne SD on Long Island, which has a student enrollment that is pluralistically more black than any other group in that school district. If you look at the graduation video a little bit further in the thread, it illustrates what I’m referring to.

Lakeview NY, the community I mentioned earlier, is in the school district and is about 73% black or so with a median household income of $150,000. It would be tough to find a similar community in the region and is on par with affluent predominantly black DC suburbs.
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Old 07-10-2023, 05:23 PM
 
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I’m referring to the Malverne SD on Long Island, which has a student enrollment that is pluralistically more black than any other group in that school district. If you look at the graduation video a little bit further in the thread, it illustrates what I’m referring to.

Lakeview NY, the community I mentioned earlier, is in the school district and is about 73% black or so with a median household income of $150,000. It would be tough to find a similar community in the region and is on par with affluent predominantly black DC suburbs.
Just curious, but is there a census tract/neighborhood in another metro in the region that comes close to those numbers?

Information about Lakeview NY: https://data.census.gov/table?g=160XX00US3641003
https://data.census.gov/profile/Lake...0XX00US3641003
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Old 07-11-2023, 10:47 AM
 
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Just curious, but is there a census tract/neighborhood in another metro in the region that comes close to those numbers?

Information about Lakeview NY: https://data.census.gov/table?g=160XX00US3641003
https://data.census.gov/profile/Lake...0XX00US3641003
While still in the NYC metro area, this census tract in Montclair NJ's South End is up there: https://data.census.gov/table?g=1400000US34013017200 (a little over 56%, 2020 data used)
https://data.census.gov/table?t=Inco...ST5Y2021.S1903
https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...-172-essex-nj/

Some other tracts, Maplewood NJ in the Springfield Avenue area: https://data.census.gov/table?g=1400000US34013019700 (a little over 61%)
https://data.census.gov/table?t=Inco...ST5Y2021.S1903
https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...-197-essex-nj/
Business district information: https://www.springfieldavenue.com/

Willingboro NJ(Philadelphia metro and likely the best similar example outside of the NYC area): https://data.census.gov/table?g=1400000US34005702803 (a little over 71%)
https://data.census.gov/table?t=Inco...ST5Y2021.S1903
https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...burlington-nj/

Others in the NYC area that are similar, in North Valley Stream near Lakeview and next to Cambria Heights in SE Queens(which has multiple tracts around 90% black and well over $100k): https://data.census.gov/table?g=1400000US36059409800 (a little under 66%)
https://data.census.gov/table?t=Inco...ST5Y2021.S1903 (I believe it may have one of the highest black median household incomes in the region at this level)
https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...098-nassau-ny/

Also nearby, northern Baldwin: https://data.census.gov/table?g=1400000US36059412900 (a little over 61%)
https://data.census.gov/table?t=Inco...ST5Y2021.S1903
https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...129-nassau-ny/

northern West Bablyon: https://data.census.gov/table?g=1400000US36103122502 (a little over 65%)
https://data.census.gov/table?t=Inco...ST5Y2021.S1903
https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...02-suffolk-ny/

I'll stop there, but there are others out there at varying degrees.
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Old 07-11-2023, 03:07 PM
 
Location: Germantown, Philadelphia
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Willingboro, NJ, is "the Black Levittown."

Levitt & Sons' third mass-produced tract house subdivision — his largest to date — was also the first to be contained entirely within the boundaries of a single municipality. It welcomed its first residents in 1958, and township residents voted to officially change the name of Willingboro Township to Levittown the following year.

Levitt & Sons, following what remained widespread real estate industry practice, refused to sell houses in his Levittowns to Black buyers, and the company did the same thing in its New Jersey community. But New Jersey was an early adopter of fair housing laws banning discrimination based on race in the sale or provision of housing. A Black would-be Levittowner who the company rebuffed sued in 1958, and the New Jersey Supreme Court ultimately ruled in his favor.

Levitt responded by setting up a set of councils and projects designed to make integration go smoothly, but they failed to stop blockbusting real estate agents in the 1970s from encouraging white residents to panic-sell their homes. House values, however, didn't fall.

Township residents narrowly voted to change the name back to Willingboro in 1963. In response, Levitt ceased to fund new schools for the still-growing community.

According to the most recent Census estimates, Willingboro, the third-most-populous municipality in Burlington County, has 32,015 residents, about 69 percent of whom are non-Hispanic Black.
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Old 07-12-2023, 06:09 AM
 
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Willingboro, NJ, is "the Black Levittown."

Levitt & Sons' third mass-produced tract house subdivision — his largest to date — was also the first to be contained entirely within the boundaries of a single municipality. It welcomed its first residents in 1958, and township residents voted to officially change the name of Willingboro Township to Levittown the following year.

Levitt & Sons, following what remained widespread real estate industry practice, refused to sell houses in his Levittowns to Black buyers, and the company did the same thing in its New Jersey community. But New Jersey was an early adopter of fair housing laws banning discrimination based on race in the sale or provision of housing. A Black would-be Levittowner who the company rebuffed sued in 1958, and the New Jersey Supreme Court ultimately ruled in his favor.

Levitt responded by setting up a set of councils and projects designed to make integration go smoothly, but they failed to stop blockbusting real estate agents in the 1970s from encouraging white residents to panic-sell their homes. House values, however, didn't fall.

Township residents narrowly voted to change the name back to Willingboro in 1963. In response, Levitt ceased to fund new schools for the still-growing community.

According to the most recent Census estimates, Willingboro, the third-most-populous municipality in Burlington County, has 32,015 residents, about 69 percent of whom are non-Hispanic Black.
Willingboro seems to not come up a lot when discussing middle class black communities/populations and I wonder why?
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Old 07-12-2023, 09:31 AM
 
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Willingboro seems to not come up a lot when discussing middle class black communities/populations and I wonder why?


That's a good question. Whenever I hear of SJ, I instantly think of Camden or Cape May County, depending on the topic. I assume it's this way for others too.
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Old 07-12-2023, 09:37 AM
 
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My family lives in Willingboro, in the "G" section. Visiting about twice a year since I was born.

It is the ultimate in plain, nondescript black suburbia. I like Willingboro though. Its a very lowkey understated community full of very chill folks. Affordable af too. Soothing/calming vibe.
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Old 07-12-2023, 12:18 PM
 
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Willingboro seems to not come up a lot when discussing middle class black communities/populations and I wonder why?
It’s quite well known among black folks in NJ at least. Produces a lot of football talent and producers Mike Zombie and Cardiak are from there (also for early 00s heads, City High is from Willingboro) Like other predominantly black towns in NJ it seems to be getting more Hispanic.
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Old 07-12-2023, 01:28 PM
 
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That's a good question. Whenever I hear of SJ, I instantly think of Camden or Cape May County, depending on the topic. I assume it's this way for others too.
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My family lives in Willingboro, in the "G" section. Visiting about twice a year since I was born.

It is the ultimate in plain, nondescript black suburbia. I like Willingboro though. Its a very lowkey understated community full of very chill folks. Affordable af too. Soothing/calming vibe.
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It’s quite well known among black folks in NJ at least. Produces a lot of football talent and producers Mike Zombie and Cardiak are from there (also for early 00s heads, City High is from Willingboro) Like other predominantly black towns in NJ it seems to be getting more Hispanic.
I think all three of these posts make great points, as there may be a certain view about South Jersey, but Willingboro seems like a more low key place that may be on the radar primarily of black folks.

As for the Boston area, this census tract in northern Milton may be the best bet for a substantial black population and higher income census tract/area: https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...62-norfolk-ma/ (33%)
https://data.census.gov/table?t=Inco...ST5Y2021.S1903
https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...62-norfolk-ma/

Plus, it is close to some predominantly black, middle class areas of Boston(parts of Hyde Park and western Mattapan).
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