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View Poll Results: Which NE City would work best for middle class black Family?
New York City 49 14.37%
Philadelphia 176 51.61%
Boston 36 10.56%
Providence 10 2.93%
Harrisburg 11 3.23%
Newark 21 6.16%
Wilmington 20 5.87%
Jersey City 18 5.28%
Voters: 341. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-14-2023, 05:08 PM
 
Location: Germantown, Philadelphia
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Good stuff and I didn’t know that about Haverford and Ardmore…I did know about Bryn Mawr and Radnor due to this Pro Football Hall of Famer attending Radnor HS in the late 1930’s/early 1940’s: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emlen_Tunnell

So, is Radnor in higher regard than Lower Merion?
Yes, the Radnor district does have a higher rep than LM, but I wouldn't pick fights over it. Tredyffrin-Easttown, beyond Radnor, is also in that rarefied stratum. (The T-E Historical Society published an article in its journal nearly 20 years ago recalling the fight in the 1930s over the newly combined Treydiffrin and Easttown school districts' proposal to create a segregated school for Blacks in one of its older buildings after opening a new elementary school. The NAACP sued the district. The fight lasted three years but the NAACP ultimately prevailed.)

But while we're on schools, the West Chester Area School District's third and newest high school is named for Bayard Rustin, the openly gay black West Chester Quaker pacifist who did all the heavy lifting in organizing the 1963 March on Washington. Bayard Rustin High usually ranks in the top 20 high schools in the state, and I believe it serves a part of the WCASD that has a higher concentration of Black and Hispanic students.

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Old 04-14-2023, 09:10 PM
 
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^Yes, West Chester is another place with a long time black population/community and also appears to be another good school district.

Another place that comes to mind in terms of having a long time black population, well regarded schools and is relatively upscale is Sewickley located NW of Pittsburgh. I believe some pro athletes pick the community/SD(Quaker Valley) as a place to live. Some historical information: https://pocketsights.com/tours/tour/...tory-Tour-4463
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Old 04-17-2023, 11:18 AM
 
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^Other examples of higher/high end suburban communities/school districts with a long time black population is the Spinney Hill area split between the Manhasset and Great Neck SD’s, a community in the Roslyn Heights portion of the Roslyn SD and Port Washington west of its Downtown. All are in the same part of Nassau County on the North Shore of Long Island. Oyster Bay is another Nassau County/North Shore community with a long time black population, which goes back centuries.

https://gnnguidepost.org/6891/featur...in-great-neck/

https://www.localhistory.bryantlibra...cans-in-roslyn

https://localhistory.pwpl.org/africa...ican-heritage/

https://abc7ny.com/amp/black-history...tter/10132029/

Those are some others off the top of my head, but I’m sure there are other examples in other states in the region. While not high end, I know places in the Boston area like Medford and Woburn have low key, but long time black populations.

In many cases, the population is located around a church or two(usually a Baptist and/or AME/AME Zion church).
Another example of this is Greenwich CT, which has had a black population/community for centuries: https://www.greenwichtime.com/local/...r-16126283.php

https://www.lohud.com/story/life/202...er/6736756002/

https://radiantrootsboricuabranches....ite%20settlers.
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Old 04-19-2023, 03:52 PM
 
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Tuckahoe NY is another higher income community with a long time black community that has been there for well over a century and most of the population is in the eastern half of the village(east of Fairview Avenue/Cameron Place and on both sides of Main Street). https://www.facebook.com/permalink.p..._yer41V1U&_rdr

https://www.tuckahoe.com/board-trust...r-and-trustees

A street view of that area: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.9493...7i16384!8i8192

Again, this is another one of these communities with a couple of places of worship that tip you off to a black population, as the AME and Baptist churches are in this area of town.
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Old 04-20-2023, 01:15 PM
 
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Another relatively more upscale suburban community with a long time black population is Newton MA: https://www.newtonma.gov/government/...in-west-newton

A street view in that small area: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3455...7i16384!8i8192

https://www.myrtlebaptist.org/our-history

The schools also get their share of METCO kids from Boston to attend their schools: https://www.newton.k12.ma.us/metco
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Old 04-20-2023, 08:45 PM
 
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You excluded the best answer! But I believe Philadelphia would work. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I felt that the areas around Media, Swarthmore, Germantown, etc. were particularly comfortable and had some of the more progressive black families there. Boston isn't the answer imho.
Here is an interesting article from almost 4 years ago about the bolded community and gentrification of a section of town where much of the black population is concentrated: https://www.broadstreetreview.com/ar...lude-everybody

It also has a long history as well: https://mediaborough.blog/2022/02/16...nity-in-media/


Here is also some information about the long time black population in Swarthmore: https://www.peopleslight.org/whats-o...of-swarthmore/

https://scribe.org/catalogue/making-...ood-swarthmore

Both of these communities are near each other.

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Old 04-21-2023, 06:15 PM
 
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Yes, the Radnor district does have a higher rep than LM, but I wouldn't pick fights over it. Tredyffrin-Easttown, beyond Radnor, is also in that rarefied stratum. (The T-E Historical Society published an article in its journal nearly 20 years ago recalling the fight in the 1930s over the newly combined Treydiffrin and Easttown school districts' proposal to create a segregated school for Blacks in one of its older buildings after opening a new elementary school. The NAACP sued the district. The fight lasted three years but the NAACP ultimately prevailed.)

But while we're on schools, the West Chester Area School District's third and newest high school is named for Bayard Rustin, the openly gay black West Chester Quaker pacifist who did all the heavy lifting in organizing the 1963 March on Washington. Bayard Rustin High usually ranks in the top 20 high schools in the state, and I believe it serves a part of the WCASD that has a higher concentration of Black and Hispanic students.
It looks like Berwyn’s community is concentrated in the Walnut Avenue area of the CDP, according to the Tredyffrin-Easttown article: https://maps.app.goo.gl/LmuA8r7R1xMF1EwC8?g_st=ic

A few blocks in that area from 2010 information: Census Block 300201-3-008 in Chester County, Pennsylvania
Census Block 300201-3-009 in Chester County, Pennsylvania
Census Block 300201-3-006 in Chester County, Pennsylvania
Another nearby block: Census Block 300104-2-015 in Chester County, Pennsylvania
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Old 04-21-2023, 10:29 PM
 
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An example of adjacent communities where there is a presence of continuous blocks between them with predominantly black and/or diverse blocks with a substantial black population is the southern end of Greenlawn/the western/SW end of Elwood in the town of Huntington in Suffolk County NY on Long Island. It is essentially the area south of Little Plains Road/west of Manor Road/north of East Jericho Turnpike and east of Park Avenue and Dix Hills Road.

While this is data from 2010, here are some blocks in both of those communities and within that area(at 20% and higher)...

Greenlawn: Census Block 111505-4-013 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111505-4-021 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111505-4-012 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111505-4-024 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111505-4-023 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111505-4-025 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111505-4-019 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111505-4-027 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111505-4-026 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111505-4-028 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111505-4-030 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111505-4-031 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111505-4-032 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111505-4-029 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111505-3-000 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111505-3-001 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111505-2-000 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111505-3-002 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111505-3-003 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111505-3-004 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111505-3-005 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111505-3-006 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111505-3-007 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111505-3-008 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111505-2-002 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111505-2-008 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111505-2-011 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111505-2-009 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111505-2-014 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111505-2-016 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111505-2-017 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111505-2-013 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111505-2-012 in Suffolk County, New York

A couple of street views: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8466...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8485...7i13312!8i6656

Elwood: Census Block 111506-1-007 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111506-1-006 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111506-2-002 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111506-2-001 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111506-2-000 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111506-2-023 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111506-2-004 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111506-2-005 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111506-2-024 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111506-2-007 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111506-2-006 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111506-2-003 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111506-2-008 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111506-2-012 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111506-2-011 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111506-2-013 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111506-2-016 in Suffolk County, New York

A couple of street views: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8438...7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8406...7i13312!8i6656

In between the two communities(includes a church reference): https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8425...7i16384!8i8192

There were also blocks that were in the 13-19.99% range in that general area as well.

In terms of income, here is 2021 5 year census information for both of these communities, median income: https://data.census.gov/table?t=Blac...5Y2021.B19001B
https://data.census.gov/table?t=Blac...5Y2021.B19013B

family income: https://data.census.gov/table?t=Blac...5Y2021.B19101B
https://data.census.gov/table?t=Blac...5Y2021.B19113B

The general area is served by the Harborfields or South Huntington SD's in Greenlawn and for Elwood, it is either the Elwood SD or a small portion in the South Huntington SD. Some people that attended schools in those districts, Elwood(John Glenn HS): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-Von_Dudley
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ifeanyi_Momah

Harborfields: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariah_Carey

South Huntington(Walt Whitman HS): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genevi...lker-Lightfoot
Attorney Genevievette E. Walker-Lightfoot \| Experienced Attorney in Columbia, MD
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myles_Jones

Greenlawn also has a little bit of a historical presence: https://abc7ny.com/sameul-ballton-gr...very/10797186/

So, you may also have an area like this one, that has a pretty high black resident presence and is split up between communities and/or school districts.
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Old 04-24-2023, 01:08 PM
 
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An example of adjacent communities where there is a presence of continuous blocks between them with predominantly black and/or diverse blocks with a substantial black population is the southern end of Greenlawn/the western/SW end of Elwood in the town of Huntington in Suffolk County NY on Long Island. It is essentially the area south of Little Plains Road/west of Manor Road/north of East Jericho Turnpike and east of Park Avenue and Dix Hills Road.

While this is data from 2010, here are some blocks in both of those communities and within that area(at 20% and higher)...

Greenlawn: Census Block 111505-4-013 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111505-4-021 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111505-4-012 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111505-4-024 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111505-4-023 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111505-4-025 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111505-4-019 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111505-4-027 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111505-4-026 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111505-4-028 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111505-4-030 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111505-4-031 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111505-4-032 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111505-4-029 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111505-3-000 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111505-3-001 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111505-2-000 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111505-3-002 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111505-3-003 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111505-3-004 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111505-3-005 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111505-3-006 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111505-3-007 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111505-3-008 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111505-2-002 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111505-2-008 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111505-2-011 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111505-2-009 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111505-2-014 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111505-2-016 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111505-2-017 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111505-2-013 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111505-2-012 in Suffolk County, New York

A couple of street views: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8466...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8485...7i13312!8i6656

Elwood: Census Block 111506-1-007 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111506-1-006 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111506-2-002 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111506-2-001 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111506-2-000 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111506-2-023 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111506-2-004 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111506-2-005 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111506-2-024 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111506-2-007 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111506-2-006 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111506-2-003 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111506-2-008 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111506-2-012 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111506-2-011 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111506-2-013 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 111506-2-016 in Suffolk County, New York

A couple of street views: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8438...7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8406...7i13312!8i6656

In between the two communities(includes a church reference): https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8425...7i16384!8i8192

There were also blocks that were in the 13-19.99% range in that general area as well.

In terms of income, here is 2021 5 year census information for both of these communities, median income: https://data.census.gov/table?t=Blac...5Y2021.B19001B
https://data.census.gov/table?t=Blac...5Y2021.B19013B

family income: https://data.census.gov/table?t=Blac...5Y2021.B19101B
https://data.census.gov/table?t=Blac...5Y2021.B19113B

The general area is served by the Harborfields or South Huntington SD's in Greenlawn and for Elwood, it is either the Elwood SD or a small portion in the South Huntington SD. Some people that attended schools in those districts, Elwood(John Glenn HS): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-Von_Dudley
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ifeanyi_Momah

Harborfields: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariah_Carey

South Huntington(Walt Whitman HS): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genevi...lker-Lightfoot
Attorney Genevievette E. Walker-Lightfoot \| Experienced Attorney in Columbia, MD
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myles_Jones

Greenlawn also has a little bit of a historical presence: https://abc7ny.com/sameul-ballton-gr...very/10797186/

So, you may also have an area like this one, that has a pretty high black resident presence and is split up between communities and/or school districts.
Here is information based on 2021 Census information about census block groups that those blocks above are in(a couple of block groups cover areas outside of the general area I mentioned), Greenlawn: https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...07-suffolk-ny/

https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...07-suffolk-ny/

https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...08-suffolk-ny/ (covers an area outside that general area)

Elwood: https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...06-suffolk-ny/

https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...06-suffolk-ny/ (again, it covers mostly an area outside of the general area above)
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Old 04-27-2023, 03:01 PM
 
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You may also have an area that is located in one community, but is within a school district based in another nearby community like the Belmont Park/northern West Babylon area(north of the Southern State Parkway). While it is a portion of West Babylon, that area is largely zoned for the North Babylon SD. The census tract that covers that area: https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...02-suffolk-ny/

Some census block groups in that census tract: https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...02-suffolk-ny/ (west of Little E Neck Road is actually in the West Babylon SD)
Some blocks in the West Babylon portion based on 2010 information: Census Block 122502-1-046 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 122502-1-043 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 122502-1-033 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 122502-1-034 in Suffolk County, New York
Census Block 122502-1-029 in Suffolk County, New York

https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...02-suffolk-ny/

https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...02-suffolk-ny/

https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...02-suffolk-ny/

North Babylon SD information: https://www.northbabylonschools.net/
https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000037838
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000037838
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000037838
The elementary school in that area: https://www.northbabylonschools.net/o/belmont
https://www.northbabylonschools.net/.../administrator
https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000037839
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000037839

Some people that lived/grew up in that area/school district: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LL_Cool_J

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Green_(basketball)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bria_Hartley

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scooter_Berry
https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id.../scooter-berry

Some street views: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7325...7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7350...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7363...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7383...7i13312!8i6656

This state park is in the neighborhood: https://parks.ny.gov/parks/belmontlake

So, this is another thing to keep in mind where looking at neighborhoods.
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