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I'm not sure we do ,we don't even know for certain what the intent was of James and John, but one thing we do know and that is Jesus rebuked James and John for asking shall we call down fire from heaven like Elijah.
His rebuke was "you know not what spirit you are of" and then went onto say i came to save life not destroy it.
I'm not sure we do ,we don't even know for certain what the intent was of James and John, but one thing we do know and that is Jesus rebuked James and John for asking shall we call down fire from heaven like Elijah.
His rebuke was "you know not what spirit you are of" and then went onto say i came to save life not destroy it.
That seems to tell me that Jesus rebuked them for looking to destroy mens lives. It might seem that Elijah had the same intent, but I'm less sure of that.
Was Elijah not rebuked because...
a) his intent was different
b) it was a different time and it was not yet time to teach grace and truth
c) it was a different time and what was then righteous later becomes evil
d) it never literally happened
Of those it seems to me that (c) is least likely. (d) is a slippery slope. (b) is most likely
That seems to tell me that Jesus rebuked them for looking to destroy mens lives. It might seem that Elijah had the same intent, but I'm less sure of that.
Was Elijah not rebuked because...
a) his intent was different
b) it was a different time and it was not yet time to teach grace and truth
c) it was a different time and what was then righteous later becomes evil
d) it never literally happened
Of those it seems to me that (c) is least likely. (d) is a slippery slope. (b) is most likely
To be quite frank at this moment in time i do not know , i agree you can certainly scratch c and d .
trettep i do not mean to be rude but that part of my question is obvious considering Jesus rebuked them . What about Elijah was he in the right spirit when he called fire down from heaven ?.
I'm not sure we do ,we don't even know for certain what the intent was of James and John, but one thing we do know and that is Jesus rebuked James and John for asking shall we call down fire from heaven like Elijah.
His rebuke was "you know not what spirit you are of" and then went onto say i came to save life not destroy it.
But also, He destroys life to save it. Don't you see? Eye for eye.
To be quite frank at this moment in time i do not know , i agree you can certainly scratch c and d .
Yeah, it's a difficult question. Do you see any other options besides what I listed?
Another thought I had. We get in our heads that Elijah was righteous because He was a prophet and a man of God. And since he called down fire from heaven and it came, then that's even more proof he was righteous. But in Romans we read that governments and men are ordained of God as intruments of God's wrath if we do evil, yet that proves nothing about their righteousness and some of them might be downright evil. So does Elijah's successful calling fire down from heaven really prove that he himself was doing righteousness? Just a thought.
But what does that prove? As far as actions are concerned Satan was doing what God told him to do when he smote Job. But that did not make Satan righteous, because Satan's intent was way different than God's. To show Elijah's righteousness vs the disciples, I think we'd need to know his intent vs theirs.
But also, He destroys life to save it. Don't you see? Eye for eye.
Paul
trettep i am not going to get drawn into foolish arguments about how God conforms us to his image . I believe God works in us both to will and to do of his good please , this can take on many forms from destroying (He's the husbandsman) to building up(He's the Vine) . The fact of the matter is Jesus rebuked James and John because they wanted to destroy life.
But what does that prove? As far as actions are concerned Satan was doing what God told him to do when he smote Job. But that did not make Satan righteous, because Satan's intent was way different than God's. To show Elijah's righteousness vs the disciples, I think we'd need to know his intent vs theirs.
Bob, let me clarify, Elijah acted according to God's Spirit.
Bob, let me clarify, Elijah acted according to God's Spirit.
Paul
Probably true, similar to Paul with A&S or the man turned of to Satan for destruction of the flesh. In that case His intent was not like the disciples.
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