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Everything is INCORRECT that is NOT CONSISTENT WITH OR COMPATIBLE WITH the Holy Spirit of agape love who IS God, Charlie. You ignore it all and blindly accept things that cannot POSSIBLY be accepted as TRUE together.
Show me what is incorrect in scripture Mystic!
List is and show me, are you afraid to do that, or is it that you can't find anything?
Everything is INCORRECT that is NOT CONSISTENT WITH OR COMPATIBLE WITH the Holy Spirit of agape love who IS God, Charlie. You ignore it all and blindly accept things that cannot POSSIBLY be accepted as TRUE together.
Poor old Charlie thinks the Spirit of agape love has an expiration date.
The steadfast love of the Lord NEVER ceases: EVER.
"God is completely sovereign. God is infinite in wisdom. God is perfect in love. God in His love always wills what is best for us. In His wisdom He always knows what is best, and in His sovereignty He has the power to bring it about." ~ Jerry Bridges
Poor old Charlie thinks the Spirit of agape love has an expiration date.
The steadfast love of the Lord NEVER ceases: EVER.
"God is completely sovereign. God is infinite in wisdom. God is perfect in love. God in His love always wills what is best for us. In His wisdom He always knows what is best, and in His sovereignty He has the power to bring it about." ~ Jerry Bridges
Not Charlie, he knows that will never end.
It's you and the UR that has the expiration dates, without any scriptural proof of it.
What do you think about that Rose? I would be ashamed to present something of that magnitude with no scripture for it whatsoever.
Fire, like judgment, so far from being the sinners portion ONLY, is the portion of all.
Like God's judgment it is not future merely, but present; it is already kindled, always kindled: its object is not torment, but cleansing. The proof comes from the lips of our Lord Himself. I am come to send fire on the earth, for it is certain that He comes as Saviour.
Thus, coming to save, Christ comes with fire, with fire already kindled. He comes to baptize with the Holy Ghost, and with fire.
“His understanding is infinite; declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done.”
“Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.” Psalm 147:5; Isa. 46:10; Acts 15:18.
God well knew when he created Adam what would be the eternal destiny of every individual of his posterity, as he will know when the last generation of man shall have entered on their eternal state. If all are to be saved, he knew it; and if part are to be saved, and part eternally damned, the fate of each individual soul was known to him. These conclusions are just as certain as that God’s knowledge is infinite.
2. God must have designed what he knew would be the eternal destiny of each individual of our race. If he knew all would be saved, he must have designed the salvation of all; and if he knew part would be saved, and part damned without relief and without end, he must have designed the salvation of some and the damnation of others. Every man designs what he knows will be the result of his voluntary acts. If I know when I speak to a certain person he will fall at my feet dead, and if I persist in speaking to him with this knowledge of the consequence, I, of course, intend he shall die; so if God knows the destiny of all men, and he does, all who go to heaven will go there by his decree, and all who go to hell will go there by his decree. This is just as certain as that two and two make four. Arminianism, then, is resolved into Calvinism. Would God have created conscious beings, knowing and intending that eternal misery would be their doom? Impossible, utterly impossible, for
3. God is love, is infinitely good.
“There is none good but one, that is God.” Mark 10:18. On the words “God is love,” Dr. A. Clarke, the celebrated Methodist Commentator, writes as follows:
An infinite Fountain of benevolence and beneficence to every human being. He hates nothing that he has made. He cannot hate, because he is love. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good; and sends his rain on the just and the unjust. He has made no human being for perdition. It has been well observed that although God is holy, just, righteous, etc., he is never called Holiness, Justice, etc. in the abstract, as he is here called Love. This seems to be the essence of the Divine nature, and all other attributes to be only modifications of this.”
God, then, never created a soul knowing it would be miserable forever.
4. God is Omnipotent.
“The Lord Omnipotent reigns.” Rev. 19:6. Therefore, nothing is too mighty for him to do. He can save the world. Where is the Christian who would not redeem all mankind, had he the power? God possesses the power, and will he not do it? Is the creature better than the Creator? God forbid any should think so.
5. God is Omnipresent.
“O Lord, You has searched me and known me”; “Yes, the darkness hides not from You; but the night shines as the day: the darkness and the light are both alike to You.” Ps. 139:1, 12. God, who is love, fills immensity, we cannot, on earth or in eternity, “go where universal love smiles not around.” If there is an endless hell, full of devils and damned souls, God is there, and there, too, his love is displayed! Will those who believe in endless wrath inform us wherein infinite love is manifested in that world of woe?
6. God is holy.
“Holy is the Lord of hosts.” Isa. 6:3. A holy God could not build a prison, dedicate it to every vile and hateful passion, and then crowd it with beings of his own workmanship, where they must sin and suffer for ever and ever. A monster of depravity might do so.
7. God is merciful.
“But You, O Lord, aret a God full of compassion and gracious, long suffering, and plenteous in mercy and truth.” Ps. 86:15.
It is impossible for such a being to torment without relief, and without end, millions of his own offspring.
8. God is just.
“A just God and a Savior.” Isa. 45:21.
It would certainly be unjust to inflict endless punishment for the sins of a few days; God is strictly just, he will not deal thus with any of his creatures. Justice requires that the transgressor shall be punished righteously, but not unmercifully.
As God is also a Savior he will save as well as punish.
9. God is the Father of all mankind.
“Have we not all one Father?” Mal. 2:10.
One is your Father which is in Heaven.” Matt. 23:9.
Is there a human parent who would eternally torment his offspring? Would not the most depraved save all of them if they could? Is our heavenly Father less kind than earthly parents are?
10. God is unchangeable.
“He is in one mind, and who can turn him?” Job 23:13.
He always will be what he is now: omniscient, all-knowing, omnipotent, omni-present, infinitely good, holy, merciful, just, and a universal Father. Before God can deal with mankind as partialism teaches, all his moral attributes must be the reverse of what they now are. God is unchangeable, that is impossible, and therefore partialism is false. In the language of Rev. Asa Shinn, a celebrated Methodist preacher and writer, “Why are we glad that God is Almighty? Because He is Almighty goodness. Why are we delighted that His understanding is infinite? Because it is the understanding of Infinite Love. Why are we pleased when we hear that God is unchangeable? Because it brings to our view a benevolence which will NEVER VARY. And why do we rejoice that He is Just? Because we hence learn that the energy of Love will NEVER CEASE to maintain and defend every thing that is right, and to oppose every thing that is wrong.” This is the benevolence and rectitude of a Supreme Being.
“Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine.” Ezek. 18:4.
God is too wise and good to give any to the devil, and He has too much power to have any forced out of his hands. All men now belong to God, they always will.
12. It is the will of God that all shall be saved.
“Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.” I Tim. 2:4.
God is love, it must be his will that mankind should be saved. An infinitely good being could have no other will. He is infinite in knowledge, he could not so will unless he knew all would be saved. He could not will that should take place which he knew never would.
13. No power can defeat his will.
“Your will be done.” Matt. 6:10.
“He does according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth; and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What do You do?” Dan. 4:35.
“He works all things after the counsel of his own will.” Eph. 1:11.
The will of God will be done. No power can defeat it. Our God will save all men.
14. God purposes the salvation of all men.
“Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he has purposed in himself, that in the dispensation of the fullness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth, even in him.” Eph. 1:9,10.
What do the words, “all things which are in heaven and on earth,” signify?
Professor Stuart = they mean the UNIVERSE, in exact accordance with this definition.
Archbishop Newcome = they signify all INTELLIGENT BEINGS.
It is the purpose of God to gather together in Christ the universe : a purpose worthy of our great Creator.
15. His purpose will be accomplished.
“The Lord of hosts has sworn, saying surely as I have thought, so shall it come to pass; and as I have PURPOSED so shall it stand – for the Lord of hosts has purposed, and who shall disannul it?
"His hand is stretched out and who shall turn it back?” Isa. 14:24, 27.
“I have spoken, I will also bring it to pass: I have purposed it, I will also do it.” Isa. 46:11.
16. It is the pleasure of God that all shall be redeemed.
“You have created all things, and for Your pleasure they were and are created.” Rev. 4:11.
“As I live, says the Lord God, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked.” Ezek. 33:11.
17. His pleasure will be accomplished.
“My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure.” Isa. 46:10.
18. God will never have any other purpose, pleasure or will,
He is “without variableness or shadow of turning.” James 1:17.
Who can doubt the salvation of all men?
19. God is the Savior of all men.
“We both labor and suffer reproach because we trust in the living God who is the Savior of all men, especially of those who believe.” I Tim. 4:10.
God is called the Savior of all men because it is his will and purpose that all shall be saved. All necessary means are provided for its accomplishment.
20. God hates sin.
“God is love" therefore, love is holiness. God’s hatred of sin is precisely his infinite abhorrence of all malice and cruelty. Infinite hatred of sin implies that its principle, and its results, are equally and forever abhorred.
The essence of sin is malice, or a disposition to produce and perpetuate misery as an ultimate end.
If God abhors this principle, it is because of this aversion to its tendency and its results, that is, because of his infinite unwillingness that misery should be produced or perpetuated for its own sake as an ultimate end of voluntary action.
To say God’s holiness causes him to hate this vile spirit and yet that his holiness will influence him to perpetuate absolute misery as an ultimate end of his own action, is as direct a contradiction as human language can supply.
The native and final result of sin is misery, and nothing else. The action of holiness is opposite to that of sin; therefore, the tendency of the latter is to produce happiness – and it never inflicts punishment but in order to counteract sin, and consequently to operate against ultimate and final misery.
To say the action of sin and that of holiness, both alike terminate in simple and permanent misery, is to say they are essentially the same in nature and tendency.
A holy being delights in holiness; and is disposed to promote holiness as effectually and universally as it can be promoted: consequently, the Holy One of Israel never will do anything to prevent the spread of holiness in any region of the universe, where moral agents are willing it should prevail. He will never do anything to hinder any of his creatures from repenting of their sins, and becoming holy; for this is what the devil has been doing ever since sin entered into the world.
To affirm that our Creator will pursue this course in a future state is to suppose the most holy being and the most unholy one will manifest themselves alike, both in person and operation.
“God’s aversion to sin is not an infinite hatred of sinners; otherwise no sinner would ever be forgiven. To say he abhors their wicked character, and that he is at the same time unwilling for them to turn from their wickedness, is another gratuitous and manifest contradiction on which the system of inexorable vengeance hangs.
It is clear that holiness in God’s children does not cause them to hate sinners, in any other sense, than having an abhorrence of their evil character. They love their persons as fellow creatures, and therefore, they do all they can to prevail on them to forsake their sin and to seek after holiness.
Is not their Heavenly Father of the same disposition? Will he not ever remain the same? If a change shall take place in his mind hereafter, it will seem necessary that a change should take place in the minds of his people; that in a future state they may hate sinners, and no longer have a desire that holiness should be extended through intelligent society.
Has any man ever learned this kind of orthodoxy from the Bible? If any people imagine that true holiness causes them to love the doctrine of infinite sin and misery, as brought about by the judicial vengeance of the Almighty, they are very much mistaken; and they need a rebuke from Jesus, such as the disciples received when they requested that they might have power to call down fire from heaven upon the Samaritans: -- you know not what manner of spirit you are of.
A fondness for this system of wrath arises from a source very different from that of holiness; and it would be well for men not only to inquire into the foundation of their opinions, but also to scrutinize the cause of their attachment to those views of future misery, which are so reproachful to God, and so revolting to the feelings of justice and humanity.” – benevolence and rectitude of the Supreme Being.
God hates sin but loves the sinner. He will destroy the former, and save the latter.
It's you and the UR that has the expiration dates, without any scriptural proof of it.
What do you think about that Rose? I would be ashamed to present something of that magnitude with no scripture for it whatsoever.
But the UR has no shame do they?
Charlie you keep saying thing like this even when you know many scriptures have been given you that show forth the salvation of all. You have said a number of times if someone showed you scripture that all would be saved you would join the UR camp, yet every time I have taken you up on that challenge you stuck your fingers in you ears and ignored that which I gave.
So I will probably be beating my head against a brick wall once again but will try one more time, with scripture.
You are well aware of 1 tim. 4:10 that tells you Jesus Christ is the saviour of all men, specially of those that believe. and that we are commanded to teach exactly that.
You have rejected those scriptures time and time again.
Did you know specially in the Greek means FIRST or chiefly and that what those scripture are saying is that Jesus Christ is the saviour of all men, FIRST those that believe. everyone in their own order.
Did you know the the specially are in reference to the first fruit? and that the all men are in reference to the harvest?
Did you know that the firstfruit is the promise of God for the whole harvest? and that just as those that believe are first saved the promise of God is the rest of humanity is assured.
Paul tells us so much in those few scriptures that it is mind boggling and you would do well to meditate on those few scriptures until they are as fire shut up in your bones.
Now all that said look at Rev. 22:14-17
Now everything you are about to read takes place AFTER the great white throne judgement with it sentence of the second death.
Rev 22:14
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
You will notice here that people who do his commandments have a right to the tree of life and can enter in through the gates into the city.
Now pay really close attention here Charlie about who the scriptures say have a right to the tree of life and can enter through the gates into the city.
Rev 22:15
For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Did you get that Charlie? the only ones outside the gates are the dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
And they have a right to the tree of life. WHY you ask?
Because Charlie the Spirit and the bride still say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
Rev 22:17
And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
Open your eyes Charlie, believe the PROMISE of God that is seen in the firstfruits, which is that of the whole harvest.
This is radically important for all of us on the C.D. Christianity forum.
"Post this at all the intersections, dear friends: Lead with your ears, follow up with your tongue, and let anger straggle along in the rear..... throw all spoiled virtue and cancerous evil in the garbage. In simple humility, let our gardener, God, landscape you with the Word, making a salvation-garden of your life." -MSG
The wonderful event encompassing the feeding of many thousands by the Man of Glory left many baskets of leftovers. What does the Master instruct His disciples to do?
"Gather up the fragments that nothing be lost."
Question =
Are morsels of leftover fish and bread more important to the Saviour of all mankind than those leftover remnants of broken mankind from the disobedience of Adam?
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