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Old 09-20-2016, 01:23 PM
 
Location: knoxville, Tn.
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belief = faith, in many peoples' eyes, i guess.
Faith my or may not save us. What is important is the object of our faith. If the object is not Jesus, it is not saving faith.
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Old 09-20-2016, 01:23 PM
 
Location: N. Fort Myers, FL
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The law cannot save us.
i would not imply that it does. "Fulfilling the law" does not mean "relying on the observance of law to save you," imo; "fulfilling the law" is the phrase we use for salvific Christ, is it not.
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Old 09-20-2016, 01:27 PM
 
Location: N. Fort Myers, FL
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Faith my or may not save us. What is important is the object of our faith. If the object is not Jesus, it is not saving faith.
well, apparently many are going to be disappointed in that model, according to Christ. It is hard to deny that many are going to be saying "but we had faith! Lord! Lord!" as they are experiencing the door being shut upon them.
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Old 09-20-2016, 01:29 PM
 
Location: N. Fort Myers, FL
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If the object is not Jesus, it is not saving faith.
if the object is Christ, why can i not get universal Hosannas when i quote Him? lol
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Old 09-20-2016, 01:39 PM
 
Location: Florida
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The law cannot save us.
The law, or works can't save and the verse he keeps quoting does not even claim that it does.

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Old 09-20-2016, 01:44 PM
 
Location: Florida
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well, apparently many are going to be disappointed in that model, according to Christ. It is hard to deny that many are going to be saying "but we had faith! Lord! Lord!" as they are experiencing the door being shut upon them.
The Bible does not say the men claimed they had faith, it says they claimed they had works. So, why are they on the wrong side of the door? The master said He did not know them. Perhaps you are begining to answer your own question. Read the verse I quoted earlier about receiving Christ and becoming His child.
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Old 09-20-2016, 01:47 PM
 
Location: N. Fort Myers, FL
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The law, or works can't save and the verse he keeps quoting does not even claim that is does.
wadr, i get this a lot. It is trying to adhere to law, it is relying on a feeling, works can't save you, here let me help you understand Christ better. What yack.

Christ said Love "fulfills the law," and there is only one other place that i am aware of where that phrase is used. So i am saying that yes, Christ is claiming, directly, that Love = salvation, if you can do it.
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Old 09-20-2016, 01:48 PM
 
Location: N. Fort Myers, FL
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The Bible does not say the men claimed they had faith, it says they claimed they had works. So, why are they on the wrong side of the door? The master said He did not know them. Perhaps you are begining to answer your own question. Read the verse I quoted earlier about receiving Christ and becoming His child.
you think you can make a case that these men are not going to believe that they had faith in Christ?
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Old 09-20-2016, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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you think you can make a case that these men are not going to believe that they had faith in Christ?
"Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?'

So, what was missing?
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Old 09-20-2016, 02:10 PM
 
Location: N. Fort Myers, FL
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"Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?'

So, what was missing?
good question. Who are these men? Can you equate them with any living men? I mean, we aren't really told much about them, but can you make a case for anyone prophesying in Christ's Name that would not assume they were practicing their "faith?" These are church people; or, i would sure have to stretch to think of anyone else who might fit the bill...how would you define them?
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