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My "outrage" occurred at the polls in November when I voted Republican for all state offices except Secretary of State. Seemingly most of the state did also EXCEPT parts of Chicago and collar counties. Why? They're either recipients of the state "handouts" or "bleeding hearts" who don't see through all the BS and vote for the "less fortunate". Of course Brady was an idiot by framing a large, early part of his campaign on social issue he had no control over instead of a moderate message that would resonate with a great many, tackling the state's budget. What really confounds me is how many Democratic legislators were elected. Didn't anybody realize this would happen with a Democratic legislature and governor?
I'm a lifelong Democrat and moves like this really make me rethink my party. I'm very left on social issues but when my lifestyle becomes affected while those receiving welfare and those receiving gravy pensions, I get a little upset and I'm sure I'm not the only one. In the future I would like to see mote businesspeople run for office, they tend to have a little more grasp on reality than lawyers.
I like this Chris Christie guy in Jersey, I like his whole "you don't like my spending cuts......too bad, you shouldn't have voted in so many idiots in the past" attitude. I understand tax hikes but refusing major spending cuts is ridiculous.
My first job out of college was working for the town, I inspected section 8 apartments. I was making $50,000 and there was 5 other people doing the same job as me along with 3 supervisors making over 100k, just to make sure people on welfare have a good quality of life. If something as small as a leaking faucet was broken, it would be fixed overnight. At the same time my landlord refused to turn on my heat in march (we had snow) and it was mid April when the town actually sent him a letter. Trust me they did, most of the apartments I visited had flat screens, nice furniture, the people who occupied them had nice clothing and brand new vehicles. Everyone at the office was afraid to take any actions, I remember one case of illegals living in an apartment. The office began to investigate, we had lawyers calling us the next day playing the race card. I should go that route, I can retire at 26!
I'm a lifelong Democrat and moves like this really make me rethink my party. I'm very left on social issues but when my lifestyle becomes affected while those receiving welfare and those receiving gravy pensions, I get a little upset and I'm sure I'm not the only one. In the future I would like to see mote businesspeople run for office, they tend to have a little more grasp on reality than lawyers.
I like this Chris Christie guy in Jersey, I like his whole "you don't like my spending cuts......too bad, you shouldn't have voted in so many idiots in the past" attitude. I understand tax hikes but refusing major spending cuts is ridiculous.
My first job out of college was working for the town, I inspected section 8 apartments. I was making $50,000 and there was 5 other people doing the same job as me along with 3 supervisors making over 100k, just to make sure people on welfare have a good quality of life. If something as small as a leaking faucet was broken, it would be fixed overnight. At the same time my landlord refused to turn on my heat in march (we had snow) and it was mid April when the town actually sent him a letter. Trust me they did, most of the apartments I visited had flat screens, nice furniture, the people who occupied them had nice clothing and brand new vehicles. Everyone at the office was afraid to take any actions, I remember one case of illegals living in an apartment. The office began to investigate, we had lawyers calling us the next day playing the race card. I should go that route, I can retire at 26!
I'm a lifelong Democrat and moves like this really make me rethink my party. I'm very left on social issues but when my lifestyle becomes affected while those receiving welfare and those receiving gravy pensions, I get a little upset and I'm sure I'm not the only one. In the future I would like to see mote businesspeople run for office, they tend to have a little more grasp on reality than lawyers.
I like this Chris Christie guy in Jersey, I like his whole "you don't like my spending cuts......too bad, you shouldn't have voted in so many idiots in the past" attitude. I understand tax hikes but refusing major spending cuts is ridiculous.
My first job out of college was working for the town, I inspected section 8 apartments. I was making $50,000 and there was 5 other people doing the same job as me along with 3 supervisors making over 100k, just to make sure people on welfare have a good quality of life. If something as small as a leaking faucet was broken, it would be fixed overnight. At the same time my landlord refused to turn on my heat in march (we had snow) and it was mid April when the town actually sent him a letter. Trust me they did, most of the apartments I visited had flat screens, nice furniture, the people who occupied them had nice clothing and brand new vehicles. Everyone at the office was afraid to take any actions, I remember one case of illegals living in an apartment. The office began to investigate, we had lawyers calling us the next day playing the race card. I should go that route, I can retire at 26!
I'm more of a democrat myself and I also don't like this tax increase. I just know that this won't actually be used to address the deficit. They are already talking about using portions of it towards education. I think that at a time like this, taxes need to remain where they are and all of the fat needs to start being trimmed. I really hope that they learn soon that businesses will actually start fleeing from the city.
I'm a lifelong Democrat and moves like this really make me rethink my party. I'm very left on social issues but when my lifestyle becomes affected while those receiving welfare and those receiving gravy pensions, I get a little upset and I'm sure I'm not the only one. In the future I would like to see mote businesspeople run for office, they tend to have a little more grasp on reality than lawyers.
I like this Chris Christie guy in Jersey, I like his whole "you don't like my spending cuts......too bad, you shouldn't have voted in so many idiots in the past" attitude. I understand tax hikes but refusing major spending cuts is ridiculous.
My first job out of college was working for the town, I inspected section 8 apartments. I was making $50,000 and there was 5 other people doing the same job as me along with 3 supervisors making over 100k, just to make sure people on welfare have a good quality of life. If something as small as a leaking faucet was broken, it would be fixed overnight. At the same time my landlord refused to turn on my heat in march (we had snow) and it was mid April when the town actually sent him a letter. Trust me they did, most of the apartments I visited had flat screens, nice furniture, the people who occupied them had nice clothing and brand new vehicles. Everyone at the office was afraid to take any actions, I remember one case of illegals living in an apartment. The office began to investigate, we had lawyers calling us the next day playing the race card. I should go that route, I can retire at 26!
Right! And we violate their "dignity and human rights" if we ask them to work and do things like pick up litter or paint over graffitti or cut lawns/shovel snow.
Do you know how much most peple have paid into their pensions for dozens of years?
More than 15% of my mom's base teacher salary goes straight into her pension fund. How many of us are putting that much of our gross into our 401K?
Pension reform is almost certainly a necessity, and I have no problem with that (if it's done fairly), but to suggest those who receive pensions are getting some amazingly better deal is inaccurate.
Do you know how much most peple have paid into their pensions for dozens of years?
More than 15% of my mom's base teacher salary goes straight into her pension fund. How many of us are putting that much of our gross into our 401K?
Pension reform is almost certainly a necessity, and I have no problem with that (if it's done fairly), but to suggest those who receive pensions are getting some amazingly better deal is inaccurate.
No it's not inaccurate at all. Retiring at age 50 with a full life ahead of you and an 80% of your salary per year pension is indeed an amazing deel. Who the hell in the private sector gets that?
The corporate income tax hike is going to hurt the burbs and the rural areas more,
It probably will result in some new businesses setting up in NW Indiana instead of the South Suburbs of Chicago, but not many. Taxes are just one small part of why businesses locate where there do, and changes in tax rates can be handled by allocating money in different ways. If a company is taking a big hit from this tax increase they should probably look for a new accountant first (a lot cheaper than moving and restaffing).
I think it is hilarious that Walker thinks companies will be moving to Wisconsin. Even after the increase the corporate and personal income taxes in Wisconsin are higher than Illinois. And like I said, there are many factors that outweigh taxes when companies look for a location, and Walker seems to miss that fact entirely. He was killing Wisconsin jobs (http://www.masstransitmag.com/online/article.jsp?siteSection=3&id=13180&pageNum=1 - broken link) before he even took office:
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Talgo Inc. will shut down its Milwaukee train manufacturing operations in 2012, leaving only a maintenance base, because plans for a high-speed rail line between Milwaukee and Madison have been abandoned, the company announced Friday. The Spanish-owned company acted after the federal government withdrew nearly all of the $810 million in stimulus funding for the rail project, which Governor-elect Scott Walker had vowed to kill.....Walker said he didn't want state taxpayers to pick up $7.5 million a year in operating costs...
"A basic return-on-investment analysis would show that even if the state of Wisconsin had to pay the full operation subsidy of $7.5 million, the benefit of investing $810 million would clearly surpass the net cost."......
Friend's statement didn't say where Talgo would move, although she said it was likely to be a state that was expanding its rail lines. Illinois Gov. Patrick Quinn has invited Talgo to relocate to his state, which is developing high-speed rail routes from Chicago to St. Louis and other cities.
Yeah...way to go Wisconsin. There's a lot more to attracting businesses than taxes.
It probably will result in some new businesses setting up in NW Indiana instead of the South Suburbs of Chicago, but not many. Taxes are just one small part of why businesses locate where there do, and changes in tax rates can be handled by allocating money in different ways. If a company is taking a big hit from this tax increase they should probably look for a new accountant first (a lot cheaper than moving and restaffing).
I think it is hilarious that Walker thinks companies will be moving to Wisconsin. Even after the increase the corporate and personal income taxes in Wisconsin are higher than Illinois. And like I said, there are many factors that outweigh taxes when companies look for a location, and Walker seems to miss that fact entirely. He was killing Wisconsin jobs (http://www.masstransitmag.com/online/article.jsp?siteSection=3&id=13180&pageNum=1 - broken link) before he even took office:
Yeah...way to go Wisconsin. There's a lot more to attracting businesses than taxes.
That guy already has a plan on the table to lower taxes in Wisconsin. My family lives there, it's all over the news. Wisconsin's pension liabilities are also 100% funded, unlike us. We have only 54% of our pension liabilities funded (see http://www.illinoisisbroke.com/facts.aspx ) which is the worst in the entire country. Where are we going to get the money? The income tax increase only covers half of the per year current structural budget..... DEFICIT! It doesn't even balance the other half. Where are they going to get the rest of the money? This does not even cover our unfunded pension liabilities so street workers can retire at age 50 with $60,000/yr in paid retirement for the rest of their life (this actually happens in Illinois, read the public data on that web link I gave you).
Did you know that Illinois's current pension liabilities is almost equal to its total assets? Think about that for a second. Wisconsin's problems are absolutely nothing compared to ours.
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killing Wisconsin jobs[/color] (http://www.masstransitmag.com/online/article.jsp?siteSection=3&id=13180&pageNum=1 - broken link) before he even took office:
Much of my family lives in WI...from what I hear, overall it made sense not to take the Fed stimulus money to build a high speed line between Madison and Milwaukee. I don't even know who would take that line? In my opinion, ridership would be pathetic and be a huge money drain going forward.
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