Coronavirus (2015, safe, design)

[ilovenature]

Originally Posted by goodheathen

This is a California thread. Don't aggravate people with what's mostly conspiracy theories. There's an actual, serious situation to deal with. Now in summer, when people generally don't get sick.

How are these conspiracy theories when government agencies themselves admit they don't have the isolated virus?

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by ilovenature

How are these conspiracy theories when government agencies themselves admit they don't have the isolated virus?

Well, thank goodness we have anonymous, amateur, armchair experts like yourself to bring things to readers’ attention that the world’s expertise has overlooked or hidden away nefariously. You are exactly the kind of voice I rely on over scientists!

[ilovenature]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Well, thank goodness we have anonymous, amateur, armchair experts like yourself to bring things to readers’ attention that the world’s expertise has overlooked or hidden away nefariously. You are exactly the kind of voice I rely on over scientists!

Did you even read any of the articles I linked to before posting your polite comment?

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by ilovenature

First of all, the alleged virus (sars-cov-2) that supposedly causes covid-19 has never been isolated and shown to exist. Let alone proven to cause a disease called covid-19. Public authorities from around the globe do not have the isolated virus, including the CDC. How can that be? How come no one has the isolated virus? If it exists, where is it?

https://off-guardian.org/2021/01/31/...f-sars-cov-2/?

https://www.globalresearch.ca/does-t...istory/5752066

Second, even the inventor of the PCR (his name was Kary Mullis and he got a noble prize) said that it should not be used to diagnose an infection. He said with enough amplification cycles, the PCR can find almost anything in anybody. I mean, the late president of Tanzania had a papaya fruit tested with the PCR and it came back covid-19 positive!

https://off-guardian.org/2020/06/27/...y-meaningless/

The articles I referenced provide links to their sources of information. In other words, it is not some writer's personal opinion on the matter. They back it up with evidence. I can provide more articles, but those should be a good starting point for anyone interested in learning the truth.

Those are not reliable sources:
OffGuardian

Overall, we rate OffGuardian a Strong Conspiracy and Strong Pseudoscience website that frequently promotes unproven conspiracy theories and false information regarding the Coronavirus.
https://www.reuters.com/article/fact...-idUSL1N2LS27P

Globalresearch.ca

"As U.S. authorities guard against dirty tricks from foreign adversaries in the run-up to the Nov. 3 presidential election, an unlikely source has come under new scrutiny as a major conduit of Russian-linked disinformation: a Montreal-based website run by a retired University of Ottawa professor. The platform, Global Research, features a Canadian domain name and offers an ever-expanding collection of conspiracy theories, such as the myth that the 9/11 attacks and COVID-19 pandemic were both planned in order to control the population. The website also hosts articles experts have attributed to a Russian spy agency." https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/russ...site-1.5767208

Now, on to the claim that the virus has never been isolated or sequenced:

Isolation of Sars 2:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7036342/

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...l-culture.html

Sequencing of Sars 2

https://www.who.int/publications/i/item/9789240018440

https://asm.org/Articles/2020/Octobe...v)%20platform.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by ilovenature

wp169 and Racer46,
People always expect there to be one reason or one cause for all the deaths. There is no single answer as to why people labeled as covid cases are dying, but in summary:
1. They are relabeling flu-like illnesses as covid.
2. Relabeling of lung infections, including COPD and pneumonia.
Per the CDC, 94% of those who died "with" covid-19 had at least one health condition. "For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.9 additional conditions or causes per death." https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/health...092020-508.pdf
There are on average about 5 million deaths worldwide from the three relabeled illnesses I mention in #1 and #2 above.
#3. Whenever someone has one or more symptoms from the list of "covid" symptoms and they get a positive PCR test result, they are diagnosed with covid19. We know that the PCR test is scientifically meaningless for diagnosing a viral infection, and since sars-cov-2 has never been isolated and shown to exist (let alone to cause disease), the test result is not valid.
Doctors were instructed to write covid as a cause of death even if it was clear that the patient died from something else. Hospitals were also receiving monetary incentives to have patients admitted for covid as the diagnosis instead of pneumonia, and they got even more money for putting them on a ventilator.

Speaking of ventilators, the vast majority of patients put on one died. This is because a ventilator will injure one's lungs if not done properly, especially if one is already sick and frail. A lot of patients in the spring of 2020 were also given remdesivir in the US which is very toxic to the kidneys, and in other places such as the UK they were given IV sedation like midazolam. These toxic treatments alone will kill a lot of people, no virus needed.

I'm sorry but that is patently absurd. Posting misinformation such as you just did has consequences; it can and will lead to people refusing to get vaccinated or even wear masks.

[ilovenature]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

Those are not reliable sources:
OffGuardian

Globalresearch.ca

Now, on to the claim that the virus has never been isolated or sequenced:

Isolation of Sars 2:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7036342/

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...l-culture.html

Sequencing of Sars 2

https://www.who.int/publications/i/item/9789240018440

https://asm.org/Articles/2020/Octobe...v)%20platform.

So if you actually bothered to read the articles I linked to, you would have seen that both of the studies you linked to claiming isolation do NOT represent a complete isolation and purification of sars-cov-2.



The authors of the article I linked to (https://off-guardian.org/2020/06/27/...y-meaningless/) asked the authors of your first linked study, “Do your electron micrographs show the purified virus?” One of the authors (Wan Beom Park) replied: “We did not obtain an electron micrograph showing the degree of purification.”

The second paper you linked to, they even admit that they simply did genome sequencing! Here is a quote from another article I linked to (https://off-guardian.org/2021/01/31/...f-sars-cov-2/?) regarding that particular paper:


"A thorough and careful reading of this important paper reveals some shocking findings. The article section with the subheading “Whole Genome Sequencing” showed that “rather than having isolated the virus and sequencing the genome from end to end”, that the CDC “designed 37 pairs of nested PCRs spanning the genome on the basis of the coronavirus reference sequence (GenBank accession no. NC045512)."



Bottom line, no one ever properly isolated the alleged virus.

In one of the articles I linked to, right at the beginning, it says


"In a request for a study which shows complete isolation and purification of the particles claimed to be SARS-CoV-2, Michael Laue from one of the world’s most important representatives of the COVID-19 “panicdemic,” the German Robert Koch Institute (RKI), answered that [1]:

I am not aware of a paper which purified isolated SARS-CoV-2."

Michael Laue reply says it all.


You posted two links regarding the sequencing of sars-cov-2. Sequencing is not isolation. First you have to isolate the virus. Once you isolate the virus, you can then do a proper sequencing of that virus. Without a proper isolation of the virus, you cannot know that the sequence came from that virus.



Finally your claim that the sites I linked to are not reliable sources is non-sense considering that they provide the evidence to back up what they write.

[ilovenature]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

I'm sorry but that is patently absurd. Posting misinformation such as you just did has consequences; it can and will lead to people refusing to get vaccinated or even wear masks.

You are entitled to believe whatever you wish to believe.



The bottom line is that there is no real proof for sars-cov-2, let alone that it causes disease. People are getting sick for different reasons but there is no proof it is due to a new virus called sars-cov-2.



I posted links to 3 well-researched articles. I will no longer be replying to comments from people that clearly did not read those articles and instead choose to post non-sense to discredit the valuable information contained in those articles.


Best wishes to all.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by ilovenature

Did you even read any of the articles I linked to before posting your polite comment?

No. Why would I? You are deliberately engaged in a social media misinformation campaign.

[CA4Now]

More than 80% of eligible Californians have now received at least one dose of COVID-19 vaccine, a milestone Gov. Gavin Newsom characterized as a “momentous occasion” that nevertheless underscored that more needed to be done.

That level of vaccine coverage among residents 12 and older ranks ninth out of all states, according to data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

“Thank you to the people in the state of California for being mindful that this pandemic is not behind us, that, as we battle this Delta variant, this mutation ... we still have work to do,” Newsom said during a briefing Tuesday.

https://www.latimes.com/california/s...ornia-covid-19

[DabOnEm]

Originally Posted by ilovenature

Did you even read any of the articles I linked to before posting your polite comment?

You can literally link the CDC and FDA as sources and people in this thread will call it a conspiracy because it didn't come from their favorite news station. I watched over the last 18 months how many times the arguments change and goal posts get moved yet the same people act like they know whats happening. Don't waste your time. Let them stay in their safe space world.