Ohio, pulled in two directions (Cleveland: utilities, moving, health)

[ohio_peasant]

Originally Posted by 216facts

So the hinterlands are conservative and the big cities are liberal. What else is new.

The suburbs in the midwest were swinging right because the Democratic Party was too focused on keeping the coasts happy and not talking jobs/taxes/schools. You have to sell to the suburbs - in middle America.

While not necessarily "new", what seems to be happening is that suburbs in Coastal states now more resemble the core-city politically, while suburbs in Heartland states more resemble the rural hinterlands. In other words, suburbanites around Ohio's cities identify culturally and politically more with the cornfields another 10-20 miles further out, than with the condos 3-5 miles closer in.

[BRNorth]

Originally Posted by Craziaskowboi

The same can be said of most states outside of their major urban areas. What do you think Illinois would be without Chicago? What do you think Michigan would be without Detroit? What do you think Minnesota would be without Minneapolis and St. Paul? What do you think Colorado would be without Denver? What do you think Washington would be without Seattle? What do you think Oregon would be without Portland? What do you think Virginia would be without the suburbs of Washington D.C.?

As for Ohio, remove Columbus and you get Missouri.

Great. You can list a lot of examples. Those are quite obvious. Even outside of their major cities, several of those states you mentioned are much less conservative than Pennsylvania.

As for Western Pennsylvania, remove Pittsburgh and you get West Virginia.

[Jbraybarten653]

Originally Posted by BRNorth

several of those states you mentioned are much less conservative than Pennsylvania.

I don't think so.

[BRNorth]

Originally Posted by Jbraybarten653

I don't think so.

Oregon, Washington, Colorado, Minnesota?

YOU may not think so, but they are.

[Jbraybarten653]

Originally Posted by BRNorth

Oregon, Washington, Colorado, Minnesota?

YOU may not think so, but they are.

The Pacific Northwest is ground zero for militias, white nationalists etc.


Colorado elected Boebert.

[BRNorth]

Originally Posted by Jbraybarten653

The Pacific Northwest is ground zero for militias, white nationalists etc.


Colorado elected Boebert.

Have you been to any of these states? Boebert is clueless like much of the far right.

Go through rural Oregon and Pennsylvania. There is a huge difference in people's attitudes towards politics, environment and social issues. It's not even close.

[Jbraybarten653]

So you are disputing the extremists in the pacific northwest?

[BRNorth]

Originally Posted by Jbraybarten653

So you are disputing the extremists in the pacific northwest?

Move the goal post more.

[Jbraybarten653]

Originally Posted by BRNorth

Move the goal post more.

Riiight.




Oof.

[BRNorth]

Originally Posted by Jbraybarten653

Riiight.

Thank you.