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Old 12-15-2019, 05:46 PM
 
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I think the Gulf Coast is a good example, at least to those in the Western U.S., who perceive pine trees as something in cold, snowy, alpine areas. However, the Gulf Coast is hot, humid, flat, and coastal...yet full of pine forests.
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Old 12-15-2019, 06:28 PM
 
Location: Central New Jersey & British Columbia
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I think the Gulf Coast is a good example, at least to those in the Western U.S., who perceive pine trees as something in cold, snowy, alpine areas. However, the Gulf Coast is hot, humid, flat, and coastal...yet full of pine forests.
People from the west coast should be familiar with pine trees growing in mild or even subtropical climates. Much of California is covered in sequoia, redwood, Douglas fir, and the whole Pacific Northwest is basically a sea of conifers, including places that almost never see snow. I think conifers are well suited to places that experience dry conditions - doesn’t have to be cold. For the west coast it’s dry summers, but for the gulf coast I assume they grow in sandy soils that dry out quickly in the fall and winter?
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Old 12-16-2019, 12:12 AM
 
Location: Sydney, Australia
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Lots of pine trees, it looks more like a Csb climate in its vegetation and building style.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/5cn4GaN1WRF19uKz6
Stone pines are not native to that region, right? If so, then I'm sure the vegetation there is in sync with the typical southeast England vegetation (deciduous forests). I wouldn't use a street with introduced trees as an example.

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That looks much better than what I was talking about, although it's still quite dreadful.

In a nearby portion of Wilson County, TN: https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1121...7i13312!8i6656
It is gross, honestly. For a subtropical it could do much better.
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Old 12-16-2019, 01:55 AM
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Stone pines are not native to that region, right? If so, then I'm sure the vegetation there is in sync with the typical southeast England vegetation (deciduous forests). I wouldn't use a street with introduced trees as an example.
Not native, but naturalised. Typical SE England vegetation is mixed forest and grassland or heath.

Maritime pine and sweet chestnut are both introduced species, but you wouldn't think it as they can be found growing all over the countryside.

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Old 12-16-2019, 02:27 AM
 
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Not native, but naturalised. Typical SE England vegetation is mixed forest and grassland or heath.

Maritime pine and sweet chestnut are both introduced species, but you wouldn't think it as they can be found growing all over the countryside.
What sort of trees are found in your mixed forests? If you could give me some species.

Personally, I would still prioritise native species over introduced ones, no matter how invasive and/or naturalised they can be in their non-indigenous environment.
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Old 12-16-2019, 02:46 AM
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What sort of trees are found in your mixed forests? If you could give me some species.

Personally, I would still prioritise native species over introduced ones, no matter how invasive and/or naturalised they can be in their non-indigenous environment.
Common and holm oak, beech, chestnut, ash, birch, poplar, scots pine, maritime pine. Ground plants typically gorse, broom, rhododendron, various ferns, holly (depending on soil types). Grass/scrubland is also common.

Typical SE English forest/grassland





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Old 12-20-2019, 06:59 PM
 
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People from the west coast should be familiar with pine trees growing in mild or even subtropical climates. Much of California is covered in sequoia, redwood, Douglas fir, and the whole Pacific Northwest is basically a sea of conifers, including places that almost never see snow. I think conifers are well suited to places that experience dry conditions - doesn’t have to be cold. For the west coast it’s dry summers, but for the gulf coast I assume they grow in sandy soils that dry out quickly in the fall and winter?
Coastal redwoods and pine trees stop at around Monterey. There are virtually no naturally occuring conifers in the lowlands of Southern California. The Pacific Northwest sees snow virtually every year, so it's no surprise to most people that there are pines there.
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Old 12-20-2019, 09:10 PM
 
Location: Norman, OK
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That looks much better than what I was talking about, although it's still quite dreadful.

In a nearby portion of Wilson County, TN: https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1121...7i13312!8i6656
That's not bad at all. It's mostly brown/gray so you know it's winter, but there're also lots of cedars everywhere so it doesn't look too depressing.

Here's part of Cleveland County, OK, where it's bad because the trees are so short:
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.2182...!7i3328!8i1664
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Old 12-20-2019, 09:14 PM
 
Location: Putnam County, TN
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Coastal redwoods and pine trees stop at around Monterey. There are virtually no naturally occuring conifers in the lowlands of Southern California. The Pacific Northwest sees snow virtually every year, so it's no surprise to most people that there are pines there.
True, but the PNW isn't THAT cold. There are places that see snow yearly but are subtropical and don't have snow cover for long periods (even broken up). But you are right about conifers being virtually absent in lowland s.Cal.

Although, there are conifer forests even in tropical southern Florida, as well as a pine species native to the Sahara and several junipers and cedars to the Mediterranean. It shows just how good at tolerating a wide variety of conditions those beasts are - even more so than palms, deciduous trees and grasses, all of which are still pretty resilient and diverse. The more I've studied plants and climate, the less I've associated any of those four things with a single group of climatic conditions.
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Old 12-20-2019, 10:10 PM
 
Location: Seattle WA, USA
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People from the west coast should be familiar with pine trees growing in mild or even subtropical climates. Much of California is covered in sequoia, redwood, Douglas fir, and the whole Pacific Northwest is basically a sea of conifers, including places that almost never see snow. I think conifers are well suited to places that experience dry conditions - doesn’t have to be cold. For the west coast it’s dry summers, but for the gulf coast I assume they grow in sandy soils that dry out quickly in the fall and winter?
I associate pine trees with dry and hot places (particularly in the summer), so it's not that big of a mismatch for me. One place that grows a lot of pine is northern Russia, when I saw street view photos of the place it looked a lot warmer than the climate tables state otherwise, was expecting a lot smaller trees, and more birch and firs.

Yekaterinburg
https://www.google.com/maps/@56.9404...7i13312!8i6656

Yakutsk
https://www.google.com/maps/@61.9960...7i13312!8i6656

Khanty-Mansi Autonmous Okrug (63N)
https://www.google.com/maps/@63.5090...7i13312!8i6656

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