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Old 10-15-2016, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Broward County, FL
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Pampas grass is a very commonly used plant here. Unsurprisingly Missouri is also the furthest north humid subtropical climates exist. Koppen may not have been foolish then to group Missouri with subtropical climates...
Southern Missouri (Springfield for example) isn't too different from subtropical climates.
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Old 10-15-2016, 02:12 PM
 
Location: Buenos Aires and La Plata, ARG
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Very, very, very dry: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ju...!4d149.0823447


There is no grass. No greenery. Nothing. Just these grey-green-blue sort of trees that look like they are desperately starved for any kind of moisture. The ground is brown, bare, and almost sandy. The landscape looks almost dead - quite depressing, actually.


Mediterranean: https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1196...7i13312!8i6656


It still looks dry, as a Mediterranean climate should, but it is green. It looks alive and vibrant. No bare ground, unlike the other link. Plants seem to grow naturally instead of the odd spacing of trees I have noticed in Australian forests. It looks much brighter and more like a living, moving place instead of statues of what was once there.




(Not intended to be an insult to Australia. Your country is lovely, it just has a miserable failure of a climate. )
Sorry, but don't be fooled by old google street view images. Look at the zones with actualized images there:

https://www.google.com/maps/@-35.266...7i13312!8i6656

It's just one mile away of the site you posted, and it looks nothing dry to my eyes.

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Pampas grass is a very commonly used plant here. Unsurprisingly Missouri is also the furthest north humid subtropical climates exist. Koppen may not have been foolish then to group Missouri with subtropical climates...
I was referring to the whole plains, wich here are called "pampas", too, not to the "pampas grass" bush species, wich is named after the place where it grows naturally. Look at the links i posted of Illinois and Buenos Aires. Those plains look twins, but one is continental with brutal freezing winters, and the other subtropical with mildy ones.

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Old 10-15-2016, 02:13 PM
 
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Plants like this and also this are everywhere here. They're not quite as fluffy at the top as in the pictures, though - I guess this is the northern limit for them? It would make sense as I am right on the line between Dfa and Cfa.
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Old 10-15-2016, 02:16 PM
 
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Sorry, but don't be fooled by old google street view images. Look at the zones with actualized images there:

https://www.google.com/maps/@-35.266...7i13312!8i6656

It's just one mile away of the site you posted, and it looks nothing dry to my eyes.

It looks no different to me. Greyish-green vegetation with trees reminiscent of those found on African savannas (in shape), brown and somewhat sandy-looking grass-less ground.


Even in places without trees, it still looks dead:
https://www.google.com/maps/@-35.274...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@-35.269...7i13312!8i6656
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Old 10-15-2016, 02:16 PM
 
Location: Broward County, FL
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Plants like this and also this are everywhere here. They're not quite as fluffy at the top as in the pictures, though - I guess this is the northern limit for them? It would make sense as I am right on the line between Dfa and Cfa.
I used to see these all the time when I lived in North GA.
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Old 10-15-2016, 02:17 PM
 
Location: Lizard Lick, NC
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Sorry, but don't be fooled by old google street view images. Look at the zones with actualized images there:

https://www.google.com/maps/@-35.266...7i13312!8i6656

It's just one mile away of the site you posted, and it looks nothing dry to my eyes.



I was referring to the whole plains, not the "pampas grass" bush species. Look at the links i posted of Illinois and Buenos Aires. Those plains look twins, but one is continental with brutal freezing winters, and the other subtropical with mildy ones.
Yeah, I was just saying we use pampas grass in Raleigh a lot and it's beautiful.
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Old 12-05-2016, 02:44 PM
 
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It always has impressed me how Missouri's vegetation looks very subtropical during summer time. It's perhaps the northermost it happens across the US.
Also it's very surprassing that subtropical Pampas grass plains looks alot like sites like Illinois, wich is a continental zone.

[URL="https://www.google.com.ar/maps/@40.1225942,-87.9224511,3a,90y,219.74h,83.55t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sXR3U-YH5R7kL0BJOhNIBrg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656"]Illinois[/URL]

[URL="https://www.google.com.ar/maps/@-35.246546,-60.552182,3a,90y,178.08h,90.55t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sr0aV3s_gAUiszSPMJfmQNQ!2e0!7i1 3312!8i6656"]Buenos Aires[/URL]

Crazy to think that the first place gets those brutal winters. It's hard to my head to link that with a landscape wich feels so familiar to mild winters.
Calling illinois' winters brutal is a bit of a stretch. In the far northern portion of the state, yea, they can be quite consistently fridgid, but the central portion typically doesn't see much below the mid 20's, and the southern portion of the state is listed humid subtropical, and has a lot of subtropical flora, evergreen broadleafs, and was famous for more northerly banana and citrus cultivation.

Illinois is quite long and quite diverse
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Old 12-05-2016, 02:50 PM
 
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I would say China's vegetation.

It's really similar to the USA's flora. Having seen China's floral make up, it appears to stay dead longer: not to mention, whereas in the US, places like Tennessee and Kansas would stay green for a long time, if not most of the year, similar places such as Hubei and Sichuan were dead and brown from October to March and early April. Which was shocking to me.

China as a whole was much less "subtropical" than I originally thought. It seems quite a bit colder than the US.
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Old 12-05-2016, 04:00 PM
 
Location: 64'N Umeå, Sweden - The least bad Dfc
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I find pacific USA's conifer-based vegetation a bit odd considering how warm winters are there. Somehow, the cold-winter North-East get broad-leaf trees, whereas the warm-winter PNW gets conifers.
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Old 12-05-2016, 04:08 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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Calling illinois' winters brutal is a bit of a stretch. In the far northern portion of the state, yea, they can be quite consistently fridgid, but the central portion typically doesn't see much below the mid 20's, and the southern portion of the state is listed humid subtropical, and has a lot of subtropical flora, evergreen broadleafs, and was famous for more northerly banana and citrus cultivation.

Illinois is quite long and quite diverse
Citrus in southern Illinois seems highly unlikely.
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