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Old 02-17-2014, 11:53 AM
 
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So Daphne white disappeared? What's that about? I never knew about that.

It all seems to add up. No actual proof because of the cover ups but it adds up and makes sense. No wonder the Ramsays always seemed to be covering for somebody but yet it didn't seem like they would have killed their own daughter. I could never believe that they actually did it, killed her.

No wonder the jury decided it was child abuse. But the district attorney decided not to charge them. The jury even said that there was one person who the Ramsays were protecting. (I wonder who threatened or paid off the district attorney.) I also wonder who that one person was.

Grand jury prepared child abuse indictment against JonBenet Ramsey's parents, newly released documents show - NBC News
John and Patsy should have served time for child abuse. I wonder if whether facing jail time if they would revealed who they were covering for. I think so...

 
Old 02-17-2014, 12:07 PM
 
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John and Patsy should have served time for child abuse. I wonder if whether facing jail time if they would revealed who they were covering for. I think so...
Who do you think they were covering for - their son?
 
Old 02-17-2014, 02:09 PM
 
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Can we really call that "went missing"? She was playing a childhood game. It's amazing how much the media has dramatized incidents in the Ramsey case.
They were worried enough to have called the police, so yes I think we can call it 'went missing'.
 
Old 02-17-2014, 02:41 PM
 
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Who do you think they were covering for - their son?
While that would not shock me, I think it was a pedophile they were receiving money or some other type of power (political, ect) from.
 
Old 02-17-2014, 02:51 PM
 
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John and Patsy should have served time for child abuse. I wonder if whether facing jail time if they would revealed who they were covering for. I think so...
Yes, I think they would have. What would they have had to lose? Their reputation would have already been wrecked. Somebody paid somebody off and the whole case fell apart, no evidence, no answers, all done.
 
Old 02-17-2014, 04:22 PM
 
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While that would not shock me, I think it was a pedophile they were receiving money or some other type of power (political, ect) from.
You really do believe the Ramseys were involved in some kind of porn ring or pedophile club?
 
Old 02-17-2014, 05:25 PM
 
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You really do believe the Ramseys were involved in some kind of porn ring or pedophile club?
It's really hard to believe but after all is said and done it's about the only thing that makes sense. I don't want to believe it but I know the parents certainly didn't kill her. If you look back a few pages there is a big discussion about a Nancy Krebs who told a horrible story of being sexually molested. She told it to her therapist before there was ever a JohBenet murder.

She told of Fleet White Sr being in charge and of him involved Fleet Jr. when jr was still a kid. She said lots of things were done around the holidays because no one would suspect having all the cars parked around a house and the little girls could heal before school started up again. They were tortured and probed with all sorts of instruments and always videoed. Her parents got money, I think, for it. She said John Ramsay set up a system so the money could change hands secretly. She said he was a child abuser. Patsy was just interested in the pageants apparently. White Jr and Sr were very much involved and made money that way.

She had no reason to make this up but of course it was discarded as lack of evidence. Everything was lack of evidence. Evidence covered up, but the looks of it. People being steered away from the truth.

Those are just generalities but it's what I believe now and I don't think we can ever know the specifics.
 
Old 02-17-2014, 05:43 PM
 
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It's really hard to believe but after all is said and done it's about the only thing that makes sense. I don't want to believe it but I know the parents certainly didn't kill her. If you look back a few pages there is a big discussion about a Nancy Krebs who told a horrible story of being sexually molested. She told it to her therapist before there was ever a JohBenet murder.

She told of Fleet White Sr being in charge and of him involved Fleet Jr. when jr was still a kid. She said lots of things were done around the holidays because no one would suspect having all the cars parked around a house and the little girls could heal before school started up again. They were tortured and probed with all sorts of instruments and always videoed. Her parents got money, I think, for it. She said John Ramsay set up a system so the money could change hands secretly. She said he was a child abuser. Patsy was just interested in the pageants apparently. White Jr and Sr were very much involved and made money that way.

She had no reason to make this up but of course it was discarded as lack of evidence. Everything was lack of evidence. Evidence covered up, but the looks of it. People being steered away from the truth.

Those are just generalities but it's what I believe now and I don't think we can ever know the specifics.
Sadly, don't think we'll ever know who killed her. I'm very surprised Patsy didn't name names before her death. I wonder if Burke will John is dead. John seems too stoic for that.
 
Old 02-17-2014, 07:41 PM
 
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Nancy Krebs... told of Fleet White Sr being in charge and of him involved Fleet Jr. when jr was still a kid. They were tortured and probed with all sorts of instruments and always videoed. Her parents got money, I think, for it. She said John Ramsay set up a system so the money could change hands secretly. She said he was a child abuser.
After 11 weeks of investigation into her allegations, I think I'd have to side with the Boulder PD on this one. They also found that John Ramsey did not reside in the areas that these alleged assaults took place.

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She had no reason to make this up but of course it was discarded as lack of evidence.
Her story sounds as if she was definitely abused by someone. There's just no evidence that either John Ramsey or Fleet White Jr were ever involved in anything like this. As many others have posted, surely someone (even just ONE person) would have come forward with his or her story, after all these years.
 
Old 02-17-2014, 08:33 PM
 
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The Whites were exonerated in January 2014 -- for the third time. Fleet and Priscilla White exonerated in death of JonBenet Ramsey — for third time - Boulder Daily Camera

I don't know what to make of that at all.

And of course here's the indictment against the Ramseys: Released indictment names John and Patsy Ramsey on two charges in JonBenet death - Boulder Daily Camera

Seems like things are starting to pick up speed again.

If an intruder did do this, I have a feeling it was a woman who knew the Ramseys through the pageantry circuit because her own daughter was competing against JonBenet, and she wanted "Victory!" for HER child, so she got to know the Ramseys (they seemed to have known about a thousand people anyway). Then she insinuated herself into Patsy's life as a "friend" and basically set Patsy up.

I can't think of another reason that an intruder bent on extortion wouldn't make that phone call at 10 a.m. -- or EVER.
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