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So they hung around while the family was at the White's party and just hid when they came home. That gave them plenty of time to write the note. I don't know why they didn't just kidnap JonBenet as they said though. Why do all the torturing there, in the house?
Another thing I can't make sense of is why Fleet White and his wife broke off the friendship with the Ramseys right after the funeral. Huge rage from him and Patsy said Priscilla was yelling at her, saying, "I could have told you a thing or two..."
I read Fleet White was mad at them for not letting the Denver Police handle the whole thing. It sounds as though he wanted to see them get accused. If so, why?
Was he somehow involved?
I think the perps entered the house when the Ramseys left for the Whites dinner and wrote the letter, like the profiler said who ever wrote the letter the person had to be very comfortable in the house.
Why would they bother leaving that note if she was already dead? Even if they wrote it before hand, it makes no sense to leave a note stating she's a live and in their possession. They squashed their goal of getting money, as stated in the note, once they left her in the house (they could have still gotten money for the corpse).
It makes sense Patsy wrote the note. Think about it. It was her handwriting style. It seems like the type of fantasy someone very sheltered would imagine. Some foreign (not race/nationality put to offend anyone. Considering Patsy was xenophobic and didn't try to blend in with the culture of Boulder.) person has your child and you have to bring a certain type of container to the bank just bring it home and put it in a paper bag. WTF? If the goal was money, they're not going to care what you bring the money in as long as it's all there and unmarked. IMO, parts of are comical. If I was read that note in a different situation, I would think it was a note for a gag or some piece of fiction (i.e. a movie).
I think all goes fairly well until Patsy starts in at 4:53: "I mean you just can't believe it, I mean you're, we're suffering from having lost their child. And then for someone to accuse you, it's just, you can't believe that that would happen."
Around 3:50, when asked if they would be willing to take a lie detector test, Patsy stutters slightly and says, "Yes, I would take a lie de-tector test," but shakes her head as in "no" as she speaks, in contrast to John, who nods up and down in the affirmative when he answered that question.
Here's the thing: I sincerely hope I'm wrong about my hunch that Patsy was involved. I don't "want" them to be guilty. I can't speak for everyone, but I would suppose that most people just want this case to be solved. I don't know them and have no reason to dislike them. But I do have a reason to think something is off with Patsy: my instincts just tell me it doesn't feel right.
So they hung around while the family was at the White's party and just hid when they came home. That gave them plenty of time to write the note. I don't know why they didn't just kidnap JonBenet as they said though. Why do all the torturing there, in the house?
I think what happen after the Ramsey's were home in bed, the perps went to her room and stunned JB with a stun gun in her bed so she could `nt move or scream , not taking the time to tie her up to get her quickly out of the room into the basement. She woke up and screamed at 200am is when they smash her over the head with their the mag flash light, then tying her up with the duct tape over he mouth. They went on waiting to see what the Ramsey would do in the tapping of their phone,after they read the RN. Pasty call 911 the law at 500am. Angry knowing they would not get their money strangled JB who was still breathing to make sure she was dead and got out the window that they came in.
I've come to this theory after wondering why the perps would leave the RN on the botten steps and not by JB bed room or any other place in the house. After looking at the diagram of the house, there is the phone right next to the steps that Pasty did call 911 on. The reason I believe the phone was tapped is in the Ramsey's notes they had their phone box moved into their new house after the murder, afraid their phones would be tapped. Perhaps they felt that's what happen to because they called the law and their daughter was killed, exactly what the perps said they would do.
I do think they could have hidden in that house for a long time. After seeing a video of the home there are many many rooms, its a big house!
I think what happen after the Ramsey's were home in bed, the perps went to her room and stunned JB with a stun gun in her bed so she could `nt move or scream , not taking the time to tie her up to get her quickly out of the room into the basement. She woke up and screamed at 200am is when they smash her over the head with their the mag flash light, then tying her up with the duct tape over he mouth. They went on waiting to see what the Ramsey would do in the tapping of their phone,after they read the RN. Pasty call 911 the law at 500am. Angry knowing they would not get their money strangled JB who was still breathing to make sure she was dead and got out the window that they came in.
I've come to this theory after wondering why the perps would leave the RN on the botten steps and not by JB bed room or any other place in the house. After looking at the diagram of the house, there is the phone right next to the steps that Pasty did call 911 on. The reason I believe the phone was tapped is in the Ramsey's notes they had their phone box moved into their new house after the murder, afraid their phones would be tapped. Perhaps they felt that's what happen to because they called the law and their daughter was killed, exactly what the perps said they would do.
I do think they could have hidden in that house for a long time. After seeing a video of the home there are many many rooms, its a big house!
To add of course the fake 911 call at the Ramseys house the day before, testing the phone tap.
2000-03-18: “Death of Innocence”
Written by John and Patsy Ramsey, March 18, 2000
DOI Page 203
"On Saturday, August 16, Patsy, Burke, and I attended an all-day picnic at Big Canoe, north of Atlanta, with our old friends and their children. This was an annual event we had missed during our years in Boulder. We returned home at dusk to find Pam and Nedra sitting in their car in our front driveway. Our house had been broken into, or at least it seemed so. Apparently the alarm had gone off at 4:30 in the afternoon, but Pam and Nedra didn't discover the problem until 8:30 that night when they had arrived at the house. What had happened to our security system?
DOI Page 204
After growing tired of waiting for the police, I entered the house, armed with a cast iron frying pan (the only weapon I could find), and went through every room. I admit I was frightened as I opened closets and stuck my head into the attic, but I was buoyed by the thought that if the intruder were JonBenet's killer, I would have an opportunity to finally face him myself.
I found a basement window unlatched, right over our newly installed telephone junction box.
Normally the phone company wants these boxes outside the house so they can get at them, but we had moved it inside so our phones couldn't be easily tapped. Was this window unlatched by someone for a later return to tap our phones? Or worse, to get into the house? We never knew. After several calls to our security monitoring service, which should have dispatched a call to the police at 4:30, they finally told us there was a note in our computer file that said not to call the police if an alarm was detected! Where did that come from? Again, we will probably never know."
I guess I'm sticking to my theory that Fleet White was part of an organized porno ring, as was his father Fleet White Sr. Whether the Ramseys knew anything or not, I don't know. It has been theorized that John, being a savvy business man, was helping with the financial aspect.
With their friendship abruptly ending right after the funeral, something is fishy. White was furious that John got his own lawyer instead of continuing to deal with the ineffective local police.
White knew that the police were trying to pin it on John so it looks like White 1. either thought John really did it or 2. Knew John didn't do it but wanted John to get in trouble.
I've never thought the Ramseys did kill or hurt their own child, and there is no background of abuse, so that means White probably wanted the Ramseys to get in trouble.
Motive? Maybe jealousy because the Whites were apparently not as wealthy as the Ramseys and John was very successfully making a lot of money white White only had money through his father. There was an instance of Priscilla White not being able to go shopping in NY with Patsy because it was too expensive. The Whites were furious that the Ramsey's Atlanta family were too ostentatious when they all went there after the funeral. (not sure of the actual words they used.)
White continued on with the hatred, not even allowed a one year memorial service to be held at his church. He was found in contempt of court for some matter where he refused to show up. There is more strange behavior on his part than on the Ramseys.
Also, there are names that crop up. Names of suspicious people who could have performed the actual torture and murder. One's parents owned a junkyard and he had talked of getting around $200,000 and splitting it with a friend. He used to torture animals. There are a few suspicious people like this who could have committed the actual crime. Fleet White would have just given the person his key to the Ramsey house and they would have just walked in while the Ramseys were safely out of the way, at his Christmas party.
They (whether it was one or two) had lots of time to write a crazy ransom note. Maybe one of them was actually in the house while the other one dropped him off and picked him up. Why he didn't just kidnap her, I don't know.
I do believe the Ramseys knew something and were trying to cover up for somebody. I have always had that feeling but I can't figure it out beyond that. It couldn't have just been a matter of covering up to help a friend (like the Santa Claus man or some other friend) because if someone killed your child, they would no longer be your friend. There had to be more............that "friend" or whatever they were had to know something that would have really hurt the Ramseys. That raises the possibility that the Ramseys really did have some knowledge of the child porno ring, that maybe John was helping out with the financial matters or something. If so, the Ramseys would have been blamed and would have gone to prison. They kept quiet for some reason but they seem to have had an idea of what really happened.
I do place some credibility on the interviews with Nancy Krebs who was a victim of a child porno ring which she said was run by Fleet White Sr in California. Despite all the attempts to discredit her, she seems to be telling the truth as she knew it. There are a few holes but that doesn't mean her entire story should be discounted--she could have been lied to and no one has a perfect memory. There is nothing that disproves her main story.
I think the case got hung up on DNA results and didn't look at the big picture.
The phone call to 911 from the Ramsey house happened on the 23rd.
jmo The fake 911 call was from Pats on the day of the 26th
'we have a kidnapping' wth
I think Pats did a couple of runs up and down the stairs to sound breathless, and stressed.
The Ramseys are/were about as sincere as their shonky go nowhere foundation-
'its a compassion that just, I think flowed out of us' - JR, what *******s
The Ramseys had thirty guests for dinner the 23 that night. What a better time to tap the phone to go unnoticed in the planning of the invasion and in the testing it to see if it worked. We have a hostage situation for the money.
I guess I'm sticking to my theory that Fleet White was part of an organized porno ring, as was his father Fleet White Sr. Whether the Ramseys knew anything or not, I don't know. It has been theorized that John, being a savvy business man, was helping with the financial aspect.
With their friendship abruptly ending right after the funeral, something is fishy. White was furious that John got his own lawyer instead of continuing to deal with the ineffective local police.
White knew that the police were trying to pin it on John so it looks like White 1. either thought John really did it or 2. Knew John didn't do it but wanted John to get in trouble.
I've never thought the Ramseys did kill or hurt their own child, and there is no background of abuse, so that means White probably wanted the Ramseys to get in trouble.
Motive? Maybe jealousy because the Whites were apparently not as wealthy as the Ramseys and John was very successfully making a lot of money white White only had money through his father. There was an instance of Priscilla White not being able to go shopping in NY with Patsy because it was too expensive. The Whites were furious that the Ramsey's Atlanta family were too ostentatious when they all went there after the funeral. (not sure of the actual words they used.)
White continued on with the hatred, not even allowed a one year memorial service to be held at his church. He was found in contempt of court for some matter where he refused to show up. There is more strange behavior on his part than on the Ramseys.
Also, there are names that crop up. Names of suspicious people who could have performed the actual torture and murder. One's parents owned a junkyard and he had talked of getting around $200,000 and splitting it with a friend. He used to torture animals. There are a few suspicious people like this who could have committed the actual crime. Fleet White would have just given the person his key to the Ramsey house and they would have just walked in while the Ramseys were safely out of the way, at his Christmas party.
They (whether it was one or two) had lots of time to write a crazy ransom note. Maybe one of them was actually in the house while the other one dropped him off and picked him up. Why he didn't just kidnap her, I don't know.
I do believe the Ramseys knew something and were trying to cover up for somebody. I have always had that feeling but I can't figure it out beyond that. It couldn't have just been a matter of covering up to help a friend (like the Santa Claus man or some other friend) because if someone killed your child, they would no longer be your friend. There had to be more............that "friend" or whatever they were had to know something that would have really hurt the Ramseys. That raises the possibility that the Ramseys really did have some knowledge of the child porno ring, that maybe John was helping out with the financial matters or something. If so, the Ramseys would have been blamed and would have gone to prison. They kept quiet for some reason but they seem to have had an idea of what really happened.
I do place some credibility on the interviews with Nancy Krebs who was a victim of a child porno ring which she said was run by Fleet White Sr in California. Despite all the attempts to discredit her, she seems to be telling the truth as she knew it. There are a few holes but that doesn't mean her entire story should be discounted--she could have been lied to and no one has a perfect memory. There is nothing that disproves her main story.
I think the case got hung up on DNA results and didn't look at the big picture.
I think, especially if the Whites had any connection to the murder, they probably knew of inappropriate behavior at pageants. Like bribing judges (with money or sexual favors). With that quoted by Priscilla about pageants.
I really don't think the Ramseys have totally clean hands. They always looked, and sounded, like they were holding something back.
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