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Three things still stand out to me, and one ALMOST seems to absolve John's involvement in this, to my own surprise:
1) I just learned about the Nancy Krebs accusation here. She apparently had an affair with John Ramsey before he married Patsy.
2) That broken window. If John had anything to do with this at all, I would think he'd pounce on that broken window when Fleet White mentioned it and say, "My God! Someone must have come through the window!" because there was glass on the floor on the inside, near her body, etc. Instead, he said somewhat absent-mindedly, "Oh, I broke that a few months back to get inside the house when I forgot the keys to the house" or whatever he said exactly. He had the perfect chance to use that broken window to offset his involvement, but he didn't.
3) The phrase "Don't try to grow a brain, John." The first time I read that, I could "hear" Patsy saying it; it just sounds like something she would say to him. In those police videos and even on TV, she was dramatic, adamant, and she was a bit sarcastic with the police in the videos that have been released. I just think it sounds like someone who is very close to him and is very twisted (obviously).
But now Nancy Krebs comes up. She talked in 2000, pointing accusations at Fleet White and John Ramsey. Could SHE have killed Jonbenet? Anyone know of any alibis for her? I literally just heard about this.
Why do so many people think a female was involved? I know there was white male DNA found that was never ided, but not any female.
I found an article from the Boulder Daily Camera that talks about the police interviewing Nancy who's name is not given in the article, but it's later confirmed:
Maybe Nancy is the person I referred to a few pages ago. I have never read much about the case so I am still open minded. A few days ago I did come across something about a woman from CA who had been abused by the elder Whites, parents of Fleet White Jr. She talked about a pedophile group. Last night I read something about how all of that has been dismissed due to lack of evidence.
To me, lack of evidence doesn't mean it isn't true, it just means there is not enough evidence. Period. If she were telling the truth about this pedophile ring (and it sounds really hard to believe) but if it did turn out to be true, things might make sense. It's worth thinking about.
FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!!
Exhibit 2
Attached for Order to Show Cause
News Release City of Boulder
May 15, 2000
Boulder Police end investigation into California woman’s report
Boulder Police and prosecutors have concluded an investigation that began in February when a
37 yea rold California woman reported her belief that JonBenet Ramsey was murdered as part
of a child sex ring. The investigation found no additional evidence to support this theory.
In February, The woman contacted the Boulder Daily Camera with allegations of a child sex
abuse conspiracy involving her own family members, the Ramsey family and close friends of
the Ramseys. The woman also claimed that some of her own family members were at a party
attended by JonBenet Ramsey and her parents on December 25, 1996, just prior to JonBenet’s
death. The woman believed JonBenet was likely killed at the party by adults who sexually and
physically abused her.
Boulder Police spent about 11 weeks investigating the allegations which included conducting 22
interviews, reviewing medical and psychological records, reviewing photographs and
recordings, consulting with a forensic psychiatrist, and comparing the allegations against
physical evidence and current knowledge of the case. As a result, Boulder Police and
prosecutors working on the case have concluded that other than the woman’s statements,
there is no evidence to support this theory of JonBenet’s murder.
“The Boulder Police have spent a significant amount of tine investigating the claims made by
this woman and her attorney.” Prosecutor Mike Kane said. ‘There is simply no credible
evidence to link anything she alleges to the death of JonBenet. The expenditure of additional
police and prosecutorial resources is unwarranted.
Boulder Police have made no judgments or conclusions about abuse the woman may have
suffered in prior years in California. It is well established that she was a victim of sexual abuse
in 1979-80, for which a suspect was arrested and convicted. However. current investigation did
not find any connection between the abuse she suffered and the death of JonBenet Ramsey.
Boulder Police have forwarded information to the FBI in reference to some of the woman’s
allegations regarding the operation of a child ring. Police also advised her to contact California
authorities with any information she has regarding crimes that may have occurred in California.
This is the second time Boulder Police have investigated the possibility of JonBenet’s death
being connected to a “sex ring” or pornographic operation involving numerous people. On each
occasion, no credible evidence was found to support such speculation.
“We needed to take the time to complete a thorough investigation. Police Chief Mark Beckner
said. Unfortunately, allegations have led to speculation that Fleet and Priscilla White, former
close friends of the Ramseys and hosts of the 1996 Christmas party, were somehow involved
in the sexual abuse and death of JonBenet. We have no evidence whatsoever to support this
and have never had evidence to support such an allegation. Nor do we have any evidence that
John and Patsy Ramsey were part of or participated in a child sex ring operation.”
Why do so many people think a female was involved? I know there was white male DNA found that was never ided, but not any female.
The ransom note was obviously written by a female; more precisely, a young adult female.
There were at least two people involved in the murder of JonBenet, one was a male and the other was a female, and neither were a member of the Ramsey family.
The ransom note was obviously written by a female; more precisely, a young adult female.
There were at least two people involved in the murder of JonBenet, one was a male and the other was a female, and neither were a member of the Ramsey family.
It could have been a man or an effeminate man. John Mark Karr had similar writing in his yearbook.
Yes, she was from California and she claims that she was abused by Fleet White and his father. She claims that her family was close with his family and that they were both a part of a pedophile ring. She also claims to have been abused by John Ramsey, who she referred to as, "Uncle Johnny". I've read a little of her transcripts from her interview with Boulder police but not a lot. The Boulder attorney who represented her was named "Lee Hill".
I just came from reading transcripts of her interviews. I can hardly see straight--did a lot of reading but could not finish it. She seems to be telling the truth, strangely enough. Her mother, grandparents in a pedophile and prostitution ring with J. Ramsey funneling the money through his business. Also White, Jr and Sr. Someone (her mother?) was at the Christmas party, she says. One of them, White Sr? was her godfather.
Could be true, no one knows. People with loads of money have loads of power. Power corrupts. They could have bought anything they wanted, including any kind of sex. If they have the money, they can pay people to shut up.
I just came from reading transcripts of her interviews. I can hardly see straight--did a lot of reading but could not finish it. She seems to be telling the truth, strangely enough. Her mother, grandparents in a pedophile and prostitution ring with J. Ramsey funneling the money through his business. Also White, Jr and Sr. Someone (her mother?) was at the Christmas party, she says. One of them, White Sr? was her godfather.
Could be true, no one knows. People with loads of money have loads of power. Power corrupts. They could have bought anything they wanted, including any kind of sex. If they have the money, they can pay people to shut up.
Not only that, the people would get in trouble if they were pedophiles or at least (if they were pimping their children as Krebs is claiming her family did) child abuse/endangerment. I think with these pedophile rings the problem is the people with evidence have red hands and the people who stumble upon it (confessions, maybe even the abused children ) have no physical proof as it's been cleaned up.
Not only that, the people would get in trouble if they were pedophiles or at least (if they were pimping their children as Krebs is claiming her family did) child abuse/endangerment. I think with these pedophile rings the problem is the people with evidence have red hands and the people who stumble upon it (confessions, maybe even the abused children ) have no physical proof as it's been cleaned up.
Yes. That would explain why no one would tell and no one could find out.
Also, it would explain the bizarre method of killing. Of course, just the participating in pageants could also explain how some nutcase would have been attracted.
In my reading--White Jr's temper was not that unheard of. Patsy said he never went into a rage but JR had said that he went nuts with anger on a yacht one time. Nancy's interview mentions his rages.
Rage occurred right after the funeral. At the Ramseys for contacting detectives, not the local police. He said--Detectives might find out secrets. =meaning, detectives could find out what was really going on but with the local police, he could buy them and control them.
You should be discerning when reading books about this case.
Some of them could easily mislead you. One such book was written by a fool named Steve Thomas, and another was written by a fool named James Kolar.
I have read most all of them I think.
I did think PDI at one stage, Thomas was adamant, and Pats flying off the handle and accidently killing JB was a reasonable conclusion- until you get to the ligature and the sexual abuse.
I do think she died accidently though, I dont think whoever killed her meant to kill her.
'we didnt mean for this to happen'- Pats.
You sound like you are one of the experts who handled the case Sig and the way you go on and be so rude to people is very disconcerting, it's like you definitely know who did it. but of course, you don't- any more than anyone else here.
I was emailing Shapiro at one stage, whats your claim to fame from the case? who have you talked to personally that was there at the time?
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) have no physical proof as it's been cleaned up.