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Old 02-04-2014, 07:29 PM
 
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You know, I just saw something really creepy...
Another Beauty Pageant Queen May Be Part Of a Porn Scandal - PolicyMic

Could the parents have been involved in some beauty queen porn ring? Something that went wrong?

 
Old 02-04-2014, 07:44 PM
 
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What was the original intent of the intruder?

1. Burglary - Accidently discovered by JonBenet......kill her and get out quickly.
They could not simply "kill her and get out quickly." Put yourself in their shoes for a moment and think it through:

You're a young adult female. You and your bad-boy boyfriend (and perhaps another guy) have been burgling homes in the neighborhood for some time now, mostly for kicks. You have never been caught and this is what makes it so exciting. However, none of you have ever killed anyone in your life, either. After all, you're college students, not hardened criminals.

You think the Ramseys have left for Michigan. You and your accomplice(s) break in around midnight thinking you'll have the whole house to yourselves at least until morning. All of the sudden, who comes bounding down the stairs but none other than JonBenet, a six year old girl who knows you and likes you, and for what it's worth, the feeling is mutual.

However, your accomplice(s) don't know JonBenet at all. To them, she is not some innocent little girl from the neighborhood. She is a meddlesome little brat who is going to get everyone arrested just as soon as she tells her parents who she saw in the house last night. Your boyfriend can't have this, and neither can the other guy. The three of you have burgled at least twenty homes over the last six months. When the BPD figure this out, and they will just as soon as they get you, specifically, in the interrogation room and break you down into tears with lurid tales of spending the next ten years in prison, followed very shortly by your spilling the beans about every caper that ever occurred during your little crime spree, your accomplices are fukked, and they know it.

None of you ever really expected this to happen. You were all so young and reckless, and so sure of yourselves; and so good at your little hobby that you stopped thinking about the consequences of getting caught sometime after the ninth or tenth caper. However, now it has happened, and not a one of you are quite sure what to do next.


It is not an easy thing to kill someone, especially a six year-old girl, and especially if this is your first murder. Indeed, career criminals who have been in and out of prison most of their lives, with priors for manslaughter, and may have even committed a few murders for which they had never been charged, would have a difficult time deciding whether or not to kill a six year old girl in cold blood, even if it meant the difference between spending the rest of their life prison or not.

So you see, Annie. Your "kill her and get out quickly" prescription is really quite naive. Whatever these burglars were going to do next, it was not going to be done after a split-second decision. They were going to have to think this through, however "foolhardy" it might seem to spend a minute's more time hanging around the house with the rest of the family upstairs in their beds. And it will not be easy to come to a consensus.

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The letter does not read like something an educated, middle aged adult would write because they were under a tremendous amount of stress and were not thinking clearly
If they were under the stress of having killed their own daughter, the note would have been as succinct as possible. What is more, the length of the note suggests that JonBenet was still alive when the note was written. No one is going to write a two and a half page ransom note for a hostage (even an alleged hostage) who is already dead.

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......or...... the letter was deliberately dumbed down to make it look like they didn't write it.
No. Neither Professor Moriarty, Lex Luther, nor Dr. Evil was involved in this crime. 'Nuff said.

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Old 02-04-2014, 08:00 PM
 
Location: 39 20' 59"N / 75 30' 53"W
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Patsy Ramsey was adamant Bill Reynolds (Santa) were JonBenets Killer, an accusation I don't believe.
Aside from the bizarre ransom letter, parallels seem to be a puzzling twist.


The Rocky Mountain News reported Sunday that police re-interviewed the McReynoldses and collected hair and handwriting samples from each of them last week. The News said police are interested in the McReynoldses because of two parallels to the Ramsey slaying.

One is the fact that the McReynoldses' middle daughter, then 9, was abducted along with a friend in Longmont and witnessed the sexual molestation of her friend. The incident occurred on Dec. 26, 1974. No suspects were ever arrested.

JonBenet was found murdered in the basement of her parents' luxurious Boulder home 22 years later. An autopsy showed that JonBenet may have been sexually assaulted.

Another parallel is an award-winning play written by Janet McReynolds in 1976. The play, "Hey Rube," is about the sexual assault, torture and murder of a girl whose body was found in a basement.


"I was surprised that the police wanted to talk to me about "Hey Rube' because it never occurred to me that there was a possible connection," she said.

Her play is a fictionalized account of the 1965 torture and murder of Sylvia Likens in Indiana. The 16-year-old girl was brutalized by a gang of teenagers and a woman who had agreed to board Likens in her home.


Article from BoulderNews Ramsey Archive
 
Old 02-04-2014, 08:09 PM
 
Location: So Ca
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Patsy Ramsey was adamant Bill Reynolds (Santa) were JonBenets Killer, an accusation I don't believe.
I agree with you. Kind of hard to believe that a long standing C.U. journalism professor could be a suspect. And surely the McReynoldses were fingerprinted, so what's to be made of the DNA that supposedly belonged to an unidentified white male?
 
Old 02-04-2014, 08:18 PM
 
Location: So Ca
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...none of you have ever killed anyone in your life, either. After all, you're college students, not hardened criminals. It is not an easy thing to kill someone, especially a six year-old girl,
College students could suddenly turn into crazed psychopaths? Which is what they'd have to be to commit this horrific crime. It doesn't make sense. Most murderers have shown plenty of past disturbed behavior or have been in trouble with the law as children or teenagers.

You said previously that you thought this person, the killer himself, is now dead. Why?
 
Old 02-04-2014, 08:29 PM
 
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I agree with you. Kind of hard to believe that a long standing C.U. journalism professor could be a suspect. And surely the McReynoldses were fingerprinted, so what's to be made of the DNA that supposedly belonged to an unidentified white male?
It's even harder to believe that a 66 year-old man who just had open heart surgery that August could have committed this crime.

Still, the coincidences are uncanny and downright creepy, like the Lincoln/JFK coincidences.
 
Old 02-04-2014, 08:48 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
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Sig, you seem to think this crime was committed by three young adults. Do you think it is likely that three young people would be able to keep such a thing quiet for 17 years? Wouldn't they be more likely to brag/confess?
 
Old 02-04-2014, 08:56 PM
 
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College students could suddenly turn into crazed psychopaths? Which is what they'd have to be to commit this horrific crime. It doesn't make sense. Most murderers have shown plenty of past disturbed behavior or have been in trouble with the law as children or teenagers.

You said previously that you thought this person, the killer himself, is now dead. Why?
No, you only need one psychopath in the bunch to suddenly bare his fangs under the exigency of the moment. The others will follow out of fear. Just so you know, psychopaths do inhabit college campuses, universities, even medical schools.

Bear in mind that the overwhelming majority of psychopaths are not child killers, or killers of any sort. Indeed, many of them may never be charged with a criminal offense in their entire life. Consider that if were not for the economic bust of 2008, Bernie Madoff (a classic psychopath) would probably still be running his multibillion dollar Ponzi scheme and passing himself off as a respectable Wall Street investment guru.

I never said I thought the killer is now dead. Although, it is certainly possible that he is dead. If law enforcement remains focused on the Ramseys as primary suspects, the killer will likely die of old age before he is discovered.

I'm more inclined to suspect the killer's accomplice(s) to be dead, since dead men (and women) tell no tales. The killer may very well be living successfully somewhere in Europe, Israel, Australia, perhaps even Canada or Mexico. It is even possible that he never left Boulder. Psychopaths have that sort of nerve.
 
Old 02-04-2014, 08:59 PM
 
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Sig, you seem to think this crime was committed by three young adults. Do you think it is likely that three young people would be able to keep such a thing quiet for 17 years? Wouldn't they be more likely to brag/confess?
It's possible that they could keep it a secret since talking about it to anyone might easily result in their spending the rest of their lives in prison or on death row.

It is also possible that one, two, or even all three of them are dead.
 
Old 02-05-2014, 06:11 AM
 
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Well one is dead...Patsy Ramsey
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