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Okay, back to where I left off before the last fight. The evidence shows that there could have been prior sexual molestation. There were groups of child porno deviants living in the area. Sometimes, as has been explained in numerous online articles, children are passed around in these porno groups and these porno groups can be based upon some extremist cult "religious" rituals that include child sacrifice. A few articles I read mentioned Biblical verses about binding with cords. And some initials that mean victory over Satan are with the signature on the note.
It's far fetched but so are the other few theories that we are considering.
In the case of a ritual Satanist sect, the person would have been a friend of the family who would have already been inside the house, hiding. They could have had all evening to write the note while the family was at a party.
A policeman or detective, speaking on his deathbed, said that there were stun gun marks on her neck. I have read that the Ramsey's owned a stun gun. I have also read that Patsy said she didn't know what a stun gun was and John said they didn't have one.
It muddies the waters to have more theories but I like to weed through the evidence just in case there is something we have missed.
The evidence shows that there could have been prior sexual molestation. There were groups of child porno deviants living in the area. Sometimes, as has been explained in numerous online articles, children are passed around in these porno groups... It's far fetched but so are the other few theories that we are considering.
Actually, it sounds a lot more believable than the intruder theory (which is what I wanted to believe when I first started to read about this case years ago).
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the person would have been a friend of the family who would have already been inside the house, hiding. They could have had all evening to write the note while the family was at a party.
Credible....sure makes sense, considering the long and rambling ransom note.
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A policeman or detective, speaking on his deathbed, said that there were stun gun marks on her neck. I have read that the Ramsey's owned a stun gun.
Unless those crime scene photos are tampered with, it shows evidence of a stun gun used. The Ramseys didn't own a stun gun but, like so much else with this case, "evidence" was misleading. JonBenet Ramsey Case Encyclopedia / Evidence of a Stun Gun
Actually, it sounds a lot more believable than the intruder theory (which is what I wanted to believe when I first started to read about this case years ago).
Wait, wait, wait…
Let me get this straight in case you made a typo. You think it is more likely JonBenet was murdered by a lingering member of a porno ring of which John and Patsy Ramsey were willful participants, who had hid in the house while the Ramseys were out, than it is likely that JonBenet was murdered by…
…what, what...
What in the world are you talking about? Do you even know?
You think it is more likely JonBenet was murdered by a lingering member of a porno ring of which John and Patsy Ramsey were willful participants...…what, what...What in the world are you talking about? Do you even know?
I have changed my mind. Y'all convinced me. Now it all makes sense.
JonBenet fell asleep in the car on the way home after having dinner with family friends. John put her to bed. She didn't use the potty and so she wet the bed. Knowing that she would be beaten severely by her secretly bipolar/rager mother, she decided not to hide it by climbing out of her bed and throwing the comforter on top of it and going back to sleep (which she had done in the past) but instead ran to wake her mommy.
Patsy was tired and being a high strung rager, she dragged JonBenet to the bathroom and threw her with considerable force against the sink and killed her.
Then she decided that this was not a very good thing to happen - especially right at Christmas. So she quickly concocted an elaborate plan and wrote a 3 page note that would take the heat off the family (especially the part that cited the exact amount of John's bonus - that would definitely throw people off her track). Then she woke John up.
Being the cold sociopath that Patsy knew him to be, John reacted in typical fashion and quickly became Patsy's co-conspirator. He carried JonBenet's body downstairs, but only after using a stun gun on her still-warm flesh. Then he garrotted her, and got a paintbrush and rammed it into her girl parts.
Everything was going fine, until Burke woke up hearing all the commotion and went to JonBenet's room and realized she was missing. Then he realized his parents were already up so he asked what was going on - and where was JonBenet?
Foiled! There goes the plan to slip out of the house, leaving JonBenet's body behind.
Oh wait. I am mixed up here. They wouldn't have had a good excuse to show up without JonBenet at a family gathering. Hmmm.
Okay. Let me think. Why would they have written that letter . . . oh oh. So they could call the police and pretend JonBenet had been kidnapped. Then they could pretend they needed to "act normal" and leave the house on the plane, knowing that someone would contact them along the way to get the ransom money.
Oh wait. That doesn't work.
But they knew they could call the police and no one would find JonBenet's body b/c it was in a "hidden room." SO they went ahead and called the police. And sure enough, just as they had assumed, no one found her body!!!!
Well, dern. Then, why did John go down and pretend to find her body? Think, think.
Gosh, I don't know. Seems to me he should have just left her body down there since the police had already missed finding it. Oh, I know! That way his DNA coudl be explained on her body! Errrr, well, as her father, and as the person who carried her up to bed that night, I guess it already would have been on her body.
Hmmmm.
But anyway, most of it makes sense to me now.
John had already lost one daughter a few years earlier so I guess to him, this wasn't that big of a deal. Been there, done that. No wonder he kept his cool.
And Patsy. Well, she was bound to die soon from cancer, anyway. So . . . what the hell. She would live in her own prison knowing she had killed her daughter. The main thing was - to make sure Burke still had a mom. And now it had put JonBenet out of her misery having to be pimped out as a porn queen for their friends, so in many ways, this was a big relief. As active members in the Episcopal Church in town, it had been very hard to keep their Satanism hidden from friends and neighbors, so it was really better that things were finished with that chapter of their lives.
John had just gotten an award as "Boulder Businessman of the Year" only months earlier, so it had to make him feel very satisfied that not only had they duped the business community, they had also gotten their pedophilia porn ring and Satanism past that do-gooder church crowd.
Yes, a big relief, having that little girl gone. Now to just convince the world that someone else did it - you know - that small foreign faction. BETTER HIRE AN ATTORNEY and get on the defensive before someone cracked and let the Satanism stuff out. And the child sex stuff. And Patsy's mental illness that caused it all.
So now I see it -- and clearly. I just couldn't put the pieces together before . . . but now I see it all. And it makes total sense.
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Actually, the autopsy doesn't say that, and even if it did, that would certainly not be evidence that her parents were pimping her out, would it, June?
Then who abusing her multiple times? Strangers the whole time? Why wasn't her brother being molested then? You're saying if she was molsted multiple times, it was always people who the Ramsey didn't know and always a different person? They always broken in/hide somewhere? In such an oddly designed home?
I followed this case extensively for 2 years, totally obsessed with it. eventually I realised justice would never happen, and let it go for quite a few years, maybe 10?
But recently Ive been researching pedophile rings and I came back to Jonbenet.
Two things I have read, I have never heard before, and I've read all of the books connected to the case.
One was- apparently JB had 'begun to talk' about people in black robes and these people hurting her. I never read that anywhere before- can someone shed some light on this for me?
The second was- apparently Johns eldest daughter Beth, from a previous marriage, had been having counselling and repressed memories were coming out, that she was molested as a child- then she dies in a car accident.
Has anyone else read this? and if so, would you have links?
apparently Johns eldest daughter Beth, from a previous marriage, had been having counselling and repressed memories were coming out, that she was molested as a child- then she dies in a car accident.
That's been discussed previously on this thread and apparently there's no indication of this. The driver of the car, her boyfriend, died as well when their car hit a truck. His other daughter, Melinda, was questioned extensively about her father possibly being abusive and she denied it.
Have heard about the black robe issue as well but it sounds like another myth.
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