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This will be repeat; Linda Arnt was taken off the case and later lost her position as an investigative officer.
She appeared on an early morning talk show bad mouthing John Ramsey promoting her legal issues with the police department. Later recanted her stories about John, for yet another interview to say Patsy was JonBenets killer.
She botched the investigation, whether she thought this were a kidnapping or murder it was a crime scene. Family and friends arrival should have been met with with as much and asked to leave. Personally I don't think she knows which ends up and found herself in an investigation beyond her capabilities as a police officer.
Never judged Patsy for her southern style and manner of speech, but she did lie to investigators about Burkes whereabouts during the 911 phone call. Why she lied remains a mystery but IMO speaks volumes.
There is such a thing as an unintended lie which isn't perceived by the teller as a lie per se: for example: where was Burke? Asleep in bed.
Where was Burke? Asleep in bed until we ran into his room and flicked on the light to see if JonBenet was in his room.
Where was Burke when you called 911?
Asleep in bed - well, we woke him up - I was on the phone - perhaps he was talking to his dad for a minute - who himself was obviously over-distracted
.. the seemingly irrelevant could easily be answered quickly by someone who wants to know where their daughter is - the necessity for accuracy of what is apparently trivial is not easily recognised by someone panicking over their daughter or who is looking back trying to remember hectic panicked events. I don't believe Burke did it but I believe he knows more than we know he knows.. I believe it is possible he saw some things that night.
There is such a thing as an unintended lie which isn't perceived by the teller as a lie per se: for example: where was Burke? Asleep in bed.
Where was Burke? Asleep in bed until we ran into his room and flicked on the light to see if JonBenet was in his room.
Where was Burke when you called 911?
Asleep in bed - well, we woke him up - I was on the phone - perhaps he was talking to his dad for a minute - who himself was obviously over-distracted
.. the seemingly irrelevant could easily be answered quickly by someone who wants to know where their daughter is - the necessity for accuracy of what is apparently trivial is not easily recognised by someone panicking over their daughter or who is looking back trying to remember hectic panicked events. I don't believe Burke did it but I believe he knows more than we know he knows.. I believe it is possible he saw some things that night.
Makes sense. My question, why didn't investigators ask for some clarity knowing he was in the background of the recorded 911 call speaking with his father We'll never know the reason and can only speculate.
I find it difficult to believe the Ramsey's heard nothing while neighbors heard a childs screams that took place around the same time the coroners estimated time of death.
What about the letters from their ex-family friends the Whites to the District Attorneys office
Are we to believe anyone connected to this case lied with exception of the Ramsey's?
O', heres one more I'll add, reportedly the Ramseys were investigated by Department of Children and Families.....
Makes sense. My question, why didn't investigators ask for some clarity knowing he was in the background of the recorded 911 call speaking with his father We'll never know the reason and can only speculate.
I find it difficult to believe the Ramsey's heard nothing while neighbors heard a childs screams that took place around the same time the coroners estimated time of death.
What about the letters from their ex-family friends the Whites to the District Attorneys office
Are we to believe anyone connected to this case lied with exception of the Ramsey's?
O', heres one more I'll add, reportedly the Ramseys were investigated by Department of Children and Families.....
I think it took some time to investigate the end of the call which occurred when Patsy hung up but the receiver wasn't down properly and I think there is still some speculation over it: from what I can gather John may have said: we are not talking to you - possibly in response to Burke asking what was going on and someone saying - Please, what do I do - or possibly Police/ what did i do (with the parents bursting into the room switching on the light then exclaiming - she is not here - call the police - not sure - hard to speculate without hearing it.
We have all slept through things which others have heard - it is possible - not impossible.
I am not commenting specifically on any person associated with the family though I suppose we all have our own suspects in this case. I am not familiar with the letters tot he DA or their content but I believe the leaked deposition of White was somewhat unkind to the Ramseys.
I don't know if or when or under what circumstances the family were investigated but there were some reports of an operation in Denver in which nannies made false reports to gain control of children in their care and this was systematically done by people involved with paedophile groups which apparently can be located by googling "the cat in the hat" or "fat cats" - not sure ow that google will go for you.
This crime was done by somebody who is a total control freak - who hates deeply but feels superior when in total control such that those around him do not realise how their lives are being affected by him. This crime is about power at the end of the day - it is not about abuse or money or ransoms or anything else - when it gets to the nitty gritty of the murder. It is about power. Evil. Insane.
I think it took some time to investigate the end of the call which occurred when Patsy hung up but the receiver wasn't down properly and I think there is still some speculation over it: from what I can gather John may have said: we are not talking to you - possibly in response to Burke asking what was going on and someone saying - Please, what do I do - or possibly Police/ what did i do (with the parents bursting into the room switching on the light then exclaiming - she is not here - call the police - not sure - hard to speculate without hearing it.
We have all slept through things which others have heard - it is possible - not impossible.
I am not commenting specifically on any person associated with the family though I suppose we all have our own suspects in this case. I am not familiar with the letters tot he DA or their content but I believe the leaked deposition of White was somewhat unkind to the Ramseys.
I don't know if or when or under what circumstances the family were investigated but there were some reports of an operation in Denver in which nannies made false reports to gain control of children in their care and this was systematically done by people involved with paedophile groups which apparently can be located by googling "the cat in the hat" or "fat cats" - not sure ow that google will go for you.
This crime was done by somebody who is a total control freak - who hates deeply but feels superior when in total control such that those around him do not realise how their lives are being affected by him. This crime is about power at the end of the day - it is not about abuse or money or ransoms or anything else - when it gets to the nitty gritty of the murder. It is about power. Evil. Insane.
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If I had been representing the Ramsay's in any way shape or form before now, we might have had some results in this case and the family may have avoided a lot of needless suffering.
What actually made you think they didn't kill her?
Patsy was obviously a southern belle and a pretty rude one at that. But when I saw her I saw a woman going through her own personal torment. She was either trying to help protect her son or her husband.
I know everyone is entitled to their opinions but some people appear to be willfully sticking their heads in the sand to keep saying the parents weren't involved.
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Yes, I did read all the transcripts. They convinced me that John and Patsy had nothing to do with JonBenet's death.
See - that is the thing. We all bring our own situations, our own experiences to any analysis of this case. Heck, we even bring our cultural background to it! I felt I understood Patsy - and that she was not only misunderstood but totally shredded, by a press corps who did not understand Southern women. I would watch Patsy and to me - she was a typical distraught grieving Southern mother. Others thought she was exaggerated or overly animated - covering something up. She acted exactly as one would have expected had she been in Atlanta and being viewed by other Southern women who move in her same social circle. Patsy was part of the country club society and trust me on this: in the South, that is a culture unto itself. Patsy may not have been born into old money but she acted like she had been, lol.
So that is the thing . . . we all bring our own truths to this case. We bring our potentially terminal diseases so we see Patsy through that filter. We bring our own child rearing experiences, our own relationships w/ our husbands! We bring our own molestations as a child, or our Pageantry crowns, or our dislike for women "like Patsy" - wealthy stay at home mom, former beauty queen . . .
I remember reading that one detective immediately felt Patsy was guilty b/c she was sitting there in the middle of a tragedy, fully dressed as if she were going to dinner. Well hell yeah! That is how I was raised. Someone may be dying in the next room but you gotta get presentable, especially if strangers were getting ready to come into your home. Get dressed, put on your make up, and make sure the house is in order. Don't call the ambulance til you know you can greet people at the door without embarrassing yourself, lol.
I know everyone is entitled to their opinions but some people appear to be willfully sticking their heads in the sand to keep saying the parents weren't involved.
Ya, people have a hard time with it. It is a difficult concept for saner people to grapple with. BUt, there are people out there who look "normal," but aren't. I think it's the socioeconomic status that throws people--rich people don't kill or sexually abuse their kids mindset.
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We'll never know the reason and can only speculate. 