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How melodramatic are you? So there should be no discussion? This thread would have no activity then would it?
There should be a discussion, but people should not strain the limits of reason and logic well beyond the breaking point in order to make a case against the Ramseys. When this happens, and it happens quite frequently, it becomes more than apparent that an actual will to believe is at work for reasons which are obviously personal and neurotic.
There should be a discussion, but people should not strain the limits of reason and logic well beyond the breaking point in order to make a case against the Ramseys. When this happens, and it happens quite frequently, it becomes more than apparent that an actual will to believe is at work for reasons which are obviously personal and neurotic.
Some of the things suggested are "off the wall" in my opinion but you can either ignore it completely or just say why you don't think it is feasible. If I have an opinion and someone points out logically why they don't agree with me I'm happy to be enlightened. That all makes for good discussion and hopefully we will all learn something.
I have changed my mind. Y'all convinced me. Now it all makes sense.
JonBenet fell asleep in the car on the way home after having dinner with family friends. John put her to bed. She didn't use the potty and so she wet the bed. Knowing that she would be beaten severely by her secretly bipolar/rager mother, she decided not to hide it by climbing out of her bed and throwing the comforter on top of it and going back to sleep (which she had done in the past) but instead ran to wake her mommy.
Patsy was tired and being a high strung rager, she dragged JonBenet to the bathroom and threw her with considerable force against the sink and killed her.
Then she decided that this was not a very good thing to happen - especially right at Christmas. So she quickly concocted an elaborate plan and wrote a 3 page note that would take the heat off the family (especially the part that cited the exact amount of John's bonus - that would definitely throw people off her track). Then she woke John up.
Being the cold sociopath that Patsy knew him to be, John reacted in typical fashion and quickly became Patsy's co-conspirator. He carried JonBenet's body downstairs, but only after using a stun gun on her still-warm flesh. Then he garrotted her, and got a paintbrush and rammed it into her girl parts.
Everything was going fine, until Burke woke up hearing all the commotion and went to JonBenet's room and realized she was missing. Then he realized his parents were already up so he asked what was going on - and where was JonBenet?
Foiled! There goes the plan to slip out of the house, leaving JonBenet's body behind.
Oh wait. I am mixed up here. They wouldn't have had a good excuse to show up without JonBenet at a family gathering. Hmmm.
Okay. Let me think. Why would they have written that letter . . . oh oh. So they could call the police and pretend JonBenet had been kidnapped. Then they could pretend they needed to "act normal" and leave the house on the plane, knowing that someone would contact them along the way to get the ransom money.
Oh wait. That doesn't work.
But they knew they could call the police and no one would find JonBenet's body b/c it was in a "hidden room." SO they went ahead and called the police. And sure enough, just as they had assumed, no one found her body!!!!
Well, dern. Then, why did John go down and pretend to find her body? Think, think.
Gosh, I don't know. Seems to me he should have just left her body down there since the police had already missed finding it. Oh, I know! That way his DNA coudl be explained on her body! Errrr, well, as her father, and as the person who carried her up to bed that night, I guess it already would have been on her body.
Hmmmm.
But anyway, most of it makes sense to me now.
John had already lost one daughter a few years earlier so I guess to him, this wasn't that big of a deal. Been there, done that. No wonder he kept his cool.
And Patsy. Well, she was bound to die soon from cancer, anyway. So . . . what the hell. She would live in her own prison knowing she had killed her daughter. The main thing was - to make sure Burke still had a mom. And now it had put JonBenet out of her misery having to be pimped out as a porn queen for their friends, so in many ways, this was a big relief. As active members in the Episcopal Church in town, it had been very hard to keep their Satanism hidden from friends and neighbors, so it was really better that things were finished with that chapter of their lives.
John had just gotten an award as "Boulder Businessman of the Year" only months earlier, so it had to make him feel very satisfied that not only had they duped the business community, they had also gotten their pedophilia porn ring and Satanism past that do-gooder church crowd.
Yes, a big relief, having that little girl gone. Now to just convince the world that someone else did it - you know - that small foreign faction. BETTER HIRE AN ATTORNEY and get on the defensive before someone cracked and let the Satanism stuff out. And the child sex stuff. And Patsy's mental illness that caused it all.
So now I see it -- and clearly. I just couldn't put the pieces together before . . . but now I see it all. And it makes total sense.
Its hard to stomach the entire scenario.
JonBenet is Resting in Peace....Patsy won't handle Johns new marriage well...where ever she is.
I'm not sure what the Ramseys deal was...One thing I'm certain, John and Patsys life behind closed doors was nothing close to normal. Patsys beauty queen days prepared her, a good poser under pressure.
I think this happening during the X-mas holidays was key.
Maybe I have not stressed this point emphatically enough.
The most important element of this case is NOT that this was the Christmas holidays, but the fact that the Ramseys were leaving for vacation the very morning the crime was discovered. This is not some unimportant, trivial piece of information. It automatically throws up a red flag (or, at least, should throw up a red flag) of a possible burglary attempt.
PAY ATTENTION:
Burglaries often occur while the residents are on vacation; and when they do, they are often committed by burglars who have obtained some inside information about the residents' travel plans.
Here we have the body of a six year-old girl, discovered murdered in the basement of her home, the very morning she and her family were planning to leave for vacation.
This is extremely important. No one with any degree of intelligence can ignore the possibility of this having been a burglary gone bad. It happens. People are murdered during botched burglaries. Indeed, there is nothing even particularly unusual about a petty burglary morphing into first degree murder. Therefore, this possibility must be exceptionally ruled out by an intensive and consummate investigation before any other theory of the crime can be considered.
In this case, it appears that burglars may have obtained faulty information regarding the Ramseys itinerary. Hence, they made their entry into the Ramsey residence 24 hours prematurely (assuming they typically plan their entries at around midnight) and were discovered unexpectedly by JonBenet who they then murdered so to avoid being identified to police.
This absolutely, positively must be the primary working theory for this case.
JonBenet is Resting in Peace....Patsy won't handle Johns new marriage well...where ever she is.
I'm not sure what the Ramseys deal was...One thing I'm certain, John and Patsys life behind closed doors was nothing close to normal. Patsys beauty queen days prepared her, a good poser under pressure.
Maybe I have not stressed this point emphatically enough.
The most important element of this case is NOT that this was the Christmas holidays, but the fact that the Ramseys were leaving for vacation the very morning the crime was discovered. This is not some unimportant, trivial piece of information. It automatically throws up a red flag (or, at least, should throw up a red flag) of a possible burglary attempt.
PAY ATTENTION:
Burglaries often occur while the residents are on vacation; and when they do, they are often committed by burglars who have obtained some inside information about the residents' travel plans.
Here we have the body of a six year-old girl, discovered murdered in the basement of her home, the very morning she and her family were planning to leave for vacation.
This is extremely important. No one with any degree of intelligence can ignore the possibility of this having been a burglary gone bad. It happens. People are murdered during botched burglaries. Indeed, there is nothing even particularly unusual about a petty burglary morphing into first degree murder. Therefore, this possibility must be exceptionally ruled out by an intensive and consummate investigation before any other theory of the crime can be considered.
In this case, it appears that burglars may have obtained faulty information regarding the Ramseys itinerary. Hence, they made their entry into the Ramsey residence 24 hours prematurely (assuming they typically plan their entries at around midnight) and were discovered unexpectedly by JonBenet who they then murdered so to avoid being identified to police.
This absolutely, positively must be the primary working theory for this case.
And, this is very believable.........until you add the elaborate staging of JonBenet and the letter.
And yes, I have read your explanation for this and I think your explanation is straining reason and logic beyond the breaking point.
And, this is very believable.........until you add the elaborate staging of JonBenet and the letter.
And yes, I have read your explanation for this and I think your explanation is straining reason and logic beyond the breaking point.
I think the layout of the house breaks the the total strangers/petty theft angls. How would they know to lead to her to that room? Especially if they killed her found her, which they would have, in another room. Didn't the police have a hard time find that room? John and his friend found the body while the police were in the house. I have a really hard time believing someone who had no knowledge of the Ramseys, and the Ramseys having no knowledge of this person, found this secret room in that maze of a house.
I have always wondered about the fragments of pineapple in JBs intestine.
Pineapple is often used by women to make their hoo hoo smell better.
Pats denied feeding her pineapple despite the bowl being found with hers and I'm pretty sure Burkes prints being on it.
Add to that, JB was supposedly asleep when they got home that night, and put straight to bed.
So who fed her the pineapple? and why, if she ate it before she went to the Whites party did Pats deny the whole thing.
As an aside, Pats went on to decorate her new kitchen with pineapple wallpaper- that woman was bat **** crazy.
I don't put anything past her, or John and it wouldn't surprise me in the least if people like them were involved in something as horrible as 'pimping' their daughter out. That little girl was totally sexual at the ripe old age of 6.
Hee Hee. If anyone knew it was sarcasm, I know you did, virgode, lol.
It is the most puzzling case.
I do not subscribe to the "simple answer being the likely one" (i.e. blame the family) because really, there is no simple answer, not when you look at the family members, their relationship with others and their community, and especially that inane note (which in my mind, was written by a teenager or an adult with low average IQ and no education past high school).
I think of injustices in our legal system, when people decided (in the absence of enough corroborating evidence) that it had to be the husband or the parents, etc.
We all know the case of Sam Sheppard, physician ("The Fugitive"). Folks didn't believe him b/c the simple explanation was - he killed his pregnant wife. Why would anyone else have done it?
And then there is the murder of Dave Camm's family . . . he went through 3 trials, because the simple answer was - Daddy Did It. He even was accused of being a child molester b/c of erroneously interpreted/submitted "evidence" at the crime scene.
Those are two cases that come to my mind of people accused of killing family members because that was the simple answer. Why would some stranger come in and kill children, especially? And we all know pregnant women are most often killed by someone they know and in many cases, the father of the unborn child. So . . . go with the simple answer.
The rumors that have been accepted as "fact" in the Ramsey case make me want to cry. I have known people whose lives/careers have been ruined because folks were more apt to believe sensational rumors than recognize them for the ridiculous stories they are. This stuff about "satanism" and "pimping out JonBenet" . . . I can't believe anyone would even entertain such stuff. Really.
Anyone remember the McMartin Daycare Case? Talk about mass hysteria going through a community. It is really mind numbing how people can get caught up in total absurdities and lies. And how law enforcement can become complicit in twisting evidence.
JonBenet's murder has not been solved, not because her parents (or a family member) "got away with it" but because the real murderer(s) have not been found. And sadly, as long as the public continues to believe "Someone in the family did it" -- the killer probably won't be brought to justice.
That is just my opinion, of course. I pray the truth does come out some day as no family should have to live with those kind of ugly accusations hanging over them, especially children (son Burke).
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