Contemplating my decision to leave Christianity (prophecies, trinity, religious leader, follower)
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Heaven would not be heaven if the rebellious were allowed to occupy it.
Satan was kicked out for his rebellion.
God is insuring those He chooses do not disrupt things.
I doubt that. The early Christian lost a lot of scientific knowledge because it did not follow their pneumatic theology, so they simply did not copy it.
Heaven would not be heaven if the rebellious were allowed to occupy it.
Satan was kicked out for his rebellion. God is insuring those He chooses do not disrupt things.
Sinner Satan chose to make himself into a Satan a Devil - James 1:13-15
Sinner Satan is wicked and ALL the wicked are to be destroyed forever - Psalms 37:38; 92:7; 104:35
Sinner Satan will be destroyed by Jesus - Hebrews 2:14 B
Heaven would not be heaven if the rebellious were allowed to occupy it.
Satan was kicked out for his rebellion.
God is insuring those He chooses do not disrupt things.
This is an interesting thought.
You cannot sin in Heaven?
Since everyone has sinned on earth , how can God possibly stop every single sin on the other side?
I’ve heard of NDEs , whereby God sent someone to Hell, because they “would keep sin alive” in Heaven.
Are God’s expectations realistic here though?
Those in Hell will obviously keep sinning and cursing, because there’s no way out.
Christianity may have started off as something noble....
Forgive me for not reading all the dozens of previous pages, just the first & the last two pages. Your initial post I suspect was dealt with somewhere in there: that Jesus being a historical figure and the question of true divine knowledge/salvation being represented by modern versions of Christianity are separate issues.
I think the mention by Josephus and the establishment of various contemporaneous Jesus "cults" in the region by enthusiastic followers are more persuasive than the denials of his ever existing.
But an important thing that doesn't seem to get discussed much (I think, but I've steered clear of "church society" talk for decades after my years-long involvement therein) is simply that Jesus lived and died as a Jew. He didn't start the thing called Christianity. He apparently was considered to be a rabbi who had a cult formed around him in various towns in the region that became minor forms of Judaism.
It wasn't until Paul entered the picture years later that it became something much different. That is the seed of the movement that has grown and divided and fought itself & others and mutated over millennia into the approximately 45,000 different versions of "the true faith" that exist today. Politics has had a major influence on shaping it every step of the way, starting with the Roman military officer Paul who organized it in the latter first century despite never seeing or hearing Jesus himself. Then Emperor Constantine, Luther's princely backers from the city-state movement, the Council of Trent, etc...
I think the question of Jesus' existence is more than probable, but we can argue about the supernatural validity of churches or divinely revealed books.
Heaven would not be heaven if the rebellious were allowed to occupy it.
Satan was kicked out for his rebellion.
God is insuring those He chooses do not disrupt things.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Matthew 4:4
Sinner Satan chose to make himself into a Satan a Devil - James 1:13-15
Sinner Satan is wicked and ALL the wicked are to be destroyed forever - Psalms 37:38; 92:7; 104:35
Sinner Satan will be destroyed by Jesus - Hebrews 2:14 B
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Originally Posted by Derek41
This is an interesting thought.
You cannot sin in Heaven?
Since everyone has sinned on earth , how can God possibly stop every single sin on the other side?
I’ve heard of NDEs , whereby God sent someone to Hell, because they “would keep sin alive” in Heaven.
Are God’s expectations realistic here though?
Those in Hell will obviously keep sinning and cursing, because there’s no way out.
It is simply astonishing to me that people living in the 21st Century can still believe in and profess these Bronze Age superstitions from 2000 years ago. 21 centuries of advancements in knowledge and technology have done nothing to loosen the hold these myths and old wives tales exert otherwise modern minds.
Forgive me for not reading all the dozens of previous pages, just the first & the last two pages. Your initial post I suspect was dealt with somewhere in there: that Jesus being a historical figure and the question of true divine knowledge/salvation being represented by modern versions of Christianity are separate issues.
I think the mention by Josephus and the establishment of various contemporaneous Jesus "cults" in the region by enthusiastic followers are more persuasive than the denials of his ever existing.
But an important thing that doesn't seem to get discussed much (I think, but I've steered clear of "church society" talk for decades after my years-long involvement therein) is simply that Jesus lived and died as a Jew. He didn't start the thing called Christianity. He apparently was considered to be a rabbi who had a cult formed around him in various towns in the region that became minor forms of Judaism.
It wasn't until Paul entered the picture years later that it became something much different. That is the seed of the movement that has grown and divided and fought itself & others and mutated over millennia into the approximately 45,000 different versions of "the true faith" that exist today. Politics has had a major influence on shaping it every step of the way, starting with the Roman military officer Paul who organized it in the latter first century despite never seeing or hearing Jesus himself. Then Emperor Constantine, Luther's princely backers from the city-state movement, the Council of Trent, etc...
I think the question of Jesus' existence is more than probable, but we can argue about the supernatural validity of churches or divinely revealed books.
The basic takeaway from all these posts is that given what we now know about the legend of Jesus historians will give way on the fact that someone upon which the Jesus of the gospels was based probably lived though we have no historic record of who or what it was. Historians basically just make the leap that if Christianity appeared it must have been based on someone. That's all they know.
You have to know if you study the matter that the Josephus reference was so tampered with by Roman Catholic churchmen and scribes that anything Josephus said about Jesus is worthless.
"The Josephus Testimonium: Let’s Just Admit It’s Fake Already"
Bottom line: Jesus of the gospels was an invented character by various Christian churchmen with an agenda to make their religion the most powerful in the then-known world. Constantine was most certainly in on the con for political purposes.
It is simply astonishing to me that people living in the 21st Century can still believe in and profess these Bronze Age superstitions from 2000 years ago. 21 centuries of advancements in knowledge and technology have done nothing to loosen the hold these myths and old wives tales exert otherwise modern minds.
As Spock would say:
I am no less astonished, Thrill. What seems most disturbing is that it was deliberate ostensibly as a sign of faith in God! The concept of heresy virtually assured it! Definitely "Fascinating!"
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