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Old 05-22-2020, 07:54 PM
 
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its really not atheism versus theism. Its more about addressing irrational beliefs no matter what they are. A deity sending us to hell is quite the irrational belief.
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Why?
Let me count the ways...

1. First, we have an entity (deity) for which there is no evidence, with one very reasonable conclusion being that this entity is a product of the human imagination.

2. Despite the fundamental question of its very existence, we proceed to endow it with abilities for which we also have no evidence. In this instance, the ability to send us places.

3. Then we add to the mix a location (hell) for which there is even LESS reason to think exists (because there is no "gap" for that thing to fill), and therefore is even MORE likely to be a product of the human imagination.

That's a whole lot of unsubstantiated supposition to pack into so few words ("a deity sending us to hell"). I'd say Arach is on pretty firm ground questioning the rationality of such a belief.
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Old 05-22-2020, 08:45 PM
 
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Let me count the ways...

1. First, we have an entity (deity) for which there is no evidence, with one very reasonable conclusion being that this entity is a product of the human imagination.

2. Despite the fundamental question of its very existence, we proceed to endow it with abilities for which we also have no evidence. In this instance, the ability to send us places.

3. Then we add to the mix a location (hell) for which there is even LESS reason to think exists (because there is no "gap" for that thing to fill), and therefore is even MORE likely to be a product of the human imagination.

That's a whole lot of unsubstantiated supposition to pack into so few words ("a deity sending us to hell"). I'd say Arach is on pretty firm ground questioning the rationality of such a belief.
Some seem to think it's the earth's molten core.


https://earthobservatory.sg/faq-on-e...rior-earth-hot
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Old 05-22-2020, 09:03 PM
 
Location: Michigan, Maryland-born
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I didn't ask to be born.

Was there a me before I was born Mink?
How could you ask to exist before you existed? Were you the creator of yourself?


I don't believe that there is a hell.
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Old 05-22-2020, 09:28 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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How could you ask to exist before you existed? Were you the creator of yourself?


I don't believe that there is a hell.
For most of us, hell is what happens on this go-round.

For some, it's what happens on their way to the next one.
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Old 05-22-2020, 09:34 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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For most of us, hell is what happens on this go-round.

For some, it's what happens on their way to the next one.
Some Buddhists see it more as what is in their minds as a culmination of bad karma.
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Old 05-22-2020, 09:46 PM
 
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Some seem to think it's the earth's molten core.


https://earthobservatory.sg/faq-on-e...rior-earth-hot

It's a well-known fact that the Russians were drilling the deepest hole on earth and they went so deep their drill broke through a ceiling and when they lowered microphones into the hole they recorded screams of the damned before the mikes melted from the heat. Here's proof:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdl11MHqA3s
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Old 05-22-2020, 10:08 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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It's a well-known fact that the Russians were drilling the deepest hole on earth and they went so deep their drill broke through a ceiling and when they lowered microphones into the hole they recorded screams of the damned before the mikes melted from the heat. Here's proof:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdl11MHqA3s
I don't believe we've even made it in to the mantle yet.
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Old 05-22-2020, 10:15 PM
 
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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It's a well-known fact that the Russians were drilling the deepest hole on earth and they went so deep their drill broke through a ceiling and when they lowered microphones into the hole they recorded screams of the damned before the mikes melted from the heat. Here's proof:
That was of course a hoax. But then you knew that.
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Old 05-22-2020, 10:15 PM
 
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I don't believe we've even made it in to the mantle yet.
Reportedly, around the 7 mile +/- mark , the temp was much greater than expected and it was much too hot for the drill bit to continue.
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Old 05-22-2020, 10:32 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Reportedly, around the 7 mile +/- mark , the temp was much greater than expected and it was much too hot for the drill bit to continue.
Considering that Project Mohole was taking place about 60 years ago, and we haven't made much progress on it since then, I doubt this discussion is very productive to determining whether atheism is a rejection or disbelief in an evil god.
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