How much are cigarettes going up? (retirement, money, state government, rates)
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Altria has raised prices already for their brands ahead of the fed tax. They are figuring some people will quit and need to make up the difference. They raised prices by $.71/pack as of 3/9.
So between the maker and the government that's $1.42/pack more come 4/1/2009.
I'm actually all for this because it has been shown over and over again that raising the price of something lowers consumption. Cigarettes really are bad for you so if this gets a young person to stop smoke (or even me to stop smoking) then I'd say it is worth it.
My health insurance company does not ask if I am a smoker. I pay the same amount for my premium that the non-smokers here do.
So your point being that you might be paying more overall for insurance because you pay the same as a smoker for your insurance. What about other "life choice" heath problems from other workers your paying for too. Like a 300 pound co-worker that likes to eat unhealthy food and won't quit stuffing their face. Or a drug user or alcoholic that your insurance/employer might be paying treatment for. Or someone getting medicine for HIV because they didn't have safe sex.
What about a man that may in some cases have to pay the same rate for insurance as a woman, even though a woman's healthcare costs more than a man's. Even if your a guy getting your insurance paid thru their employer, same as the female coworker doing the same job for the same pay, then she is actually getting more pay than you indirectly, right ? Or any worker that gets benefits for a spouse or kid thru the company.
So, you are suggesting that the Government knows what best for you, is this is?
Why not let the PEOPLE - AMERICANS - decide what is best for them?????
It is called FREEDOM
"Life"
"LIBERTY"
"Pursuit of Happiness"
God, shut up please. Some of you people need to get a freaking clue.
I got news for you all: WE LIVE IN A SOCIALIST COUNTRY & HAVE FOR A LONG LONG TIME NOW. Basically every modern country is.
We pay taxes to help pay for other things & our daily lives are chalked full of rules, regulations & limits. So that means you cant just go doing whatever you feel like, crying "FREEDOM!" the whole time. It doesnt work that way.
So I really dont know what to tell you guys. If you want total freedom to do whatever you want, go buy a deserted island somewhere & crown yourself ruler. Here in America, we help each other out by paying taxes & set up rules for what the overall consensus thinks is best for our fellow man.
. Here in America, we set up rules for what the overall consensus thinks is best for our fellow man.
So in other words oppression of the minority by the majority?Also,using that statement above is it safe to say then that going to Iraq or any other country to promote our ideal of what life should be is just cause?In that case America is of moral correctness to go anywhere to do what we think is best for our fellow mankind even if it means force,the end justifies the means?
So in other words oppression of the minority by the majority?Also,using that statement above is it safe to say then that going to Iraq or any other country to promote our ideal of what life should be is just cause?In that case America is of moral correctness to go anywhere to do what we think is best for our fellow mankind even if it means force,the end justifies the means?
Oh man, please don't even start crying foul about the majority quelling the minority. Do you believe that gays should be allowed to get married? I've heard that whole "the majority have spoken" argument time & time again, & now someone who most likely used it is going to start crying foul over it??? Please! And if you have never ever used that argument in any argument, I stand corrected.
So your point being that you might be paying more overall for insurance because you pay the same as a smoker for your insurance. What about other "life choice" heath problems from other workers your paying for too. Like a 300 pound co-worker that likes to eat unhealthy food and won't quit stuffing their face. Or a drug user or alcoholic that your insurance/employer might be paying treatment for. Or someone getting medicine for HIV because they didn't have safe sex.
What about a man that may in some cases have to pay the same rate for insurance as a woman, even though a woman's healthcare costs more than a man's. Even if your a guy getting your insurance paid thru their employer, same as the female coworker doing the same job for the same pay, then she is actually getting more pay than you indirectly, right ? Or any worker that gets benefits for a spouse or kid thru the company.
Chew on that.
You didn't read me correctly. I am a smoker. I'm saying my insurance company doesn't even ask if I am, and never has.
Oh man, please don't even start crying foul about the majority quelling the minority. Do you believe that gays should be allowed to get married? I've heard that whole "the majority have spoken" argument time & time again, & now someone who most likely used it is going to start crying foul over it??? Please! And if you have never ever used that argument in any argument, I stand corrected.
Yes I do.I try to live by the code of what you do,how you live is none of my business until your business starts interfering in mine.The more I have debated different issues the more I realized I have to look at others from outside my own box and realize if I believe in liberty I must stand up for those I don't understand or agree with as much as the ones I do.
The guiding criteria that I try to use is as long as it doesn't tread on somebody else than live and let live.Anybody who would tell me my smoke is bothering them I would accomidate them,but in return I don't want to be nannied that I smoke just because.
Also,using that statement above is it safe to say then that going to Iraq or any other country to promote our ideal of what life should be is just cause?In that case America is of moral correctness to go anywhere to do what we think is best for our fellow mankind even if it means force,the end justifies the means?
I didnt say that. I said "here in America", meaning it pertains to Americans who legally live here & accept the rules that come along with it.
And no, I dont think we should go pushing our way of life on the entire world.
It was $30 a carton (ten packs),today it is $38.I hear people saying it is going to be over $60 a carton but that can't be right?$60 for carton sounds too high,I hear it was only suppose to be a 70 cent increases per pack starting April 1st but prices have already increased?
I didnt say that. I said "here in America", meaning it pertains to Americans who legally live here & accept the rules that come along with it.
And no, I dont think we should go pushing our way of life on the entire world.
We shouldn't be pushing our own brand of "correct way to live" on each other either,at least by force with legislation,that is a slippery slope.The very reason why we have a Bill of Rights,the reason states and individual rights should be numerous and the centralized federal rights limited.Because whoever controls the feds otherwise would become a tyranny,be it the right wing religious or the left wing humanist idealists.
Of course there will always be disagreement and debate and fight for control,but as long as we keep laws and rights designed to prevent total power hopefully it will prevent a takeover from whatever faction thinking they are the guiding "truth".
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