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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 201 39.88%
No 254 50.40%
Unsure 49 9.72%
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Old 10-20-2022, 03:39 PM
 
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China is buying lots of Russian oil. So is India. But they are buying at a discount. Is there anyone who believes the discount is offered because Russia just likes China and India?
No, Russia must take what they can get and right now it's a 30% discount. In February, India and China may cease buying Russian oil at all - that's because in February real sanctions take place when sales to Europe go to zero.
China and India are very much afraid of secondary US sanctions. People who believe China grew on its own and could do without the US market are poorly informed.


Storing oil in Russia is just not possible. The oil pipelines must be kept flowing, and if a complex oil well gets shut down the restart can be very complicated. And there is real danger that Russia may have to shut down some wells - Like Sakharin - 1 whose output has gone from 200,000 BPD to 10,000 because the Russians cannot maintain the equipment.


China is a fraud. They are good at artists conceptions and announcing grandiose plans, but not much else.


Russia is in full retreat. They are shielding their withdrawal with civilians from Kherson.
Do you shop at Walmart et al.?
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Old 10-20-2022, 03:44 PM
 
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Yet again, a very simplistic view of the matter.

Ukraine allowed its fighters to shell its OWN territory with the purpose of striking Donbass Russians. 14,000 ethnic Russians living within Ukraine died since 2014.

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Let’s look at that 14,000 ethnic Russians living in Ukraine died since 2014 number…

https://ukraine.un.org/sites/default...orr%20EN_0.pdf

4,400 Ukrainian soldiers
6,500 Russian and pro-Russian militants
3,404 civilians (includes 298 passengers of MH17 shot down in 2014 by Russian militants)

Civilian deaths by year
2014 -- 2084
2015 -- 954
2016 -- 112
2017 -- 117
2018 -- 55
2019 -- 27
2020 -- 26
2021 -- 25
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Old 10-20-2022, 03:52 PM
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Let’s look at that 14,000 ethnic Russians living in Ukraine died since 2014 number…

https://ukraine.un.org/sites/default...orr%20EN_0.pdf

4,400 Ukrainian soldiers
6,500 Russian and pro-Russian militants
3,404 civilians (includes 298 passengers of MH17 shot down in 2014 by Russian militants)

Civilian deaths by year
2014 -- 2084
2015 -- 954
2016 -- 112
2017 -- 117
2018 -- 55
2019 -- 27
2020 -- 26
2021 -- 25
And the estimates are that the Russians killed 20,000 civilians just in Mariuopol.
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Old 10-20-2022, 04:43 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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And the estimates are that the Russians killed 20,000 civilians just in Mariuopol.
And most of the posters are advocating for the slaughter to continue and have no desire for peace talks.
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Old 10-20-2022, 05:24 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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And most of the posters are advocating for the slaughter to continue and have no desire for peace talks.
Peace with Putin is slaughter of the Ukrainians
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Old 10-20-2022, 05:50 PM
 
Location: Port Charlotte FL
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Deny's update today 10/20...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHtWV05Ajlg
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Old 10-20-2022, 05:53 PM
 
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Heres a thought, the Russians could simply not attempt to strike them and go back home to Russia. Not hard to do really. Nothing would get destroyed and people would not be killed by their senseless attacks. I guess the warmongering Russians would rather cause destruction instead of ending this mess.
It appears to me you don't know what was happening before late February 2022.

In any case, Russia will win this war.
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Old 10-20-2022, 06:06 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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It appears to me you don't know what was happening before late February 2022.

In any case, Russia will win this war.
They've already lost it.
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Old 10-20-2022, 06:18 PM
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Peace with Putin is slaughter of the Ukrainians
As he is currently doing in the areas he has temporarily conquered. Forcibly relocating citizens, stealing children, torturing and murdering civilians.
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Old 10-20-2022, 06:21 PM
 
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I'm asking again of some of the posters here.

How can it be that:

1) Russia attacked at an alleged 4-1 troop disadvantage and allegedly killed\wounded 2/3rds of the Ukraine army.

Yet

2) Russia is being pushed out of territory and has had to call up more troops?
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