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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 201 39.64%
No 257 50.69%
Unsure 49 9.66%
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Old 10-21-2022, 11:31 AM
 
Location: Port Charlotte FL
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Zelenskyy is over there taking your tax money becoming rich while we have people here that can't even afford food or shelter. Yet we have people crying about Ukraine. Screw Ukraine. Countries get conquered. It happens.

let it happen?..then your country is probably next..
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Old 10-21-2022, 11:32 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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hopefully, once Ukraine has confidently regained control of Kershon, that will be the plucked card that will start the domino effect of Russia getting it's ass kicked completely out of Ukraine, including Crimea and the Donbas region..

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...ee/ar-AA13dJJP
Probably the opposite. It shortens Russian lines and takes away all the wasted effort they are trying to supply the West bank.

Who knows for sure. The Ukrainians are full of surprises.
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Old 10-21-2022, 11:37 AM
 
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Russia was hoping for a negotiated settlement where they would have at very least gotten control of and international recognition of eastern Donetsk, eastern Lugansk and Crimea being a part of Russia.
That didnt work. At what point would you say it makes sense for Putin to stop the blood shed and just admit this was a bad idea, and bring his people back home so they can have peace?
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Old 10-21-2022, 11:46 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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here's what a poster on quora thinks is the likely scenario for this war..
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Option 1. Russia grinds Ukraine down and eventually takes over the entire country. Now, Russia has 40 million very unhappy, very hostile people inside it’s borders who have guns and trained to fight. Not a good outcome for the Russian people.
Option 2. Ukraine grinds down Russia and Russia eventually pulls out entirely. Russia has now depleted most of its army of resources and must re-arm, but do so under sanctions. Putin will probably have to purge the army to maintain his own grip on power and probably crack down on protestors. Not a good outcome for the Russia people.
Option 3. A stalemate occurs and Russia maintains its hold on eastern Ukraine and Crimea. Sanctions remain in place, there is growing social instability in Russia, and Russia faces the prospect of long-term military action in the area. Not a good outcome for the Russian people.
The only good option is for Russia to simply withdraw, say “My bad!” and beg the West to go back to the way things were before the war. Not likely.

In a nutshell, there are no good options and no good outcomes. It’s a mess and will continue to b ea mess for … decades.
Ummm....Yep
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Old 10-21-2022, 11:59 AM
 
Location: Oregon Coast
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That didnt work. At what point would you say it makes sense for Putin to stop the blood shed and just admit this was a bad idea, and bring his people back home so they can have peace?
I don't think it makes sense for Putin to do that. That would be an admission that he made a mistake.
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Old 10-21-2022, 12:00 PM
 
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We don't want to go bankrupt bailing out the world like we did in WWII.

I guess some people don't understand the difference between the U.S. federal government budget and their personal budget.



Yes, we should wait until Putin invades some other countries and then come to the rescue like we did in 1941.



Not necessary. Russia's continuing failure in Ukraine should spell the end of Putin. Remember how long Khrushchev lasted after the Cuban missile crisis?



You've shown your intelligence!
Oh, I understand the difference very well. I also understand that eventually the party will end.

P.S. Cuban missile crisis had very little to do with Krushchev removal

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Old 10-21-2022, 12:10 PM
 
Location: A coal patch in Pennsyltucky
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Oh, I understand the difference very well. I also understand that eventually the party will end.
Did the party end after WWII and the Marshal Plan?

The only party that is going to end is the Republican Party. It will end the same way the Whig Party ended.
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Old 10-21-2022, 12:11 PM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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The only good option is for Russia to simply withdraw, say “My bad!” and beg the West to go back to the way things were before the war. Not likely.
The best option for Russia is to keep the war going, bankrupt Europe, find more allies(eg Saudi Arabia, Turkey, etc), wait till the democrats lose in the fall, wait till the US strategic petroleum reserve is fully drained, wait till every European government is overthrown after riots caused by electricity bills and hyperinflation, start building the Altai Gas Pipeline to China, keep the conflict locked in place while China ramps up domestic semiconductor production, wait till the US is in a severe recession/depression and our Debt-to-GDP ratio skyrockets while interest rates remain high in our desperation to stop hyperinflation, have China continue ramping up rhetoric about an invasion of Taiwan to turn this into a two-front war against America(but China should never actually invade Taiwan), wait till Joe Biden is impeached over the Hunter Biden laptop business dealings "for the big guy" and the attempted quid-pro-quo with Saudi Arabia to get democrats reelected once Republicans take both houses of congress, get Trump back in the presidency.
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Old 10-21-2022, 12:13 PM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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You've shown your intelligence!
Please explain how my desire to see nukes flying shows me intelligence? Do you mean high IQ or low IQ? It feels like the high IQ play tbh. Why wouldn't it be?
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Old 10-21-2022, 12:14 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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We don't want to go bankrupt bailing out the world like we did in WWII. ...........
BRRRRRP!
Now there's a fail. After WW2 we made Germany and Japan and, later, South Korea, our trading partners.
That made the world the incredibly rich place it is now.

Russia subjugated its conquests and ruined them. That's what eventually made North Korea what it is now. The rest of the conquests eventually wiggled free.
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