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Old 07-18-2022, 10:09 AM
 
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the only thing that Russia is winning at is committing war crimes...but the stake is getting driven deeper and deeper into the heart of the evil beast..die Russia die...
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Old 07-18-2022, 10:18 AM
 
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the only thing that Russia is winning at is committing war crimes...but the stake is getting driven deeper and deeper into the heart of the evil beast..die Russia die...
Only the governments of democracies care about world opinion. The likes of Putin, Pol Pot, Mao, Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini and Castro (there are a lot more such names) could not care less.
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Old 07-18-2022, 10:28 AM
 
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Only the governments of democracies care about world opinion. The likes of Putin, Pol Pot, Mao, Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini and Castro (there are a lot more such names) could not care less.
True but Russian authoritarianism and imperialist aggression has shocked and repulsed Americans and Europeans alike. Russia unknowingly stepped over some invisible red line with the invasion of Ukraine. If they aren't worried about that...they should be. Look at the Russia propaganda...they actually think they are winning. Nothing could be further from the truth.
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Old 07-18-2022, 10:33 AM
 
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MOSCOW, July 18 - RIA Novosti. Ukrainian militants could blow up the building of the Drama Theater in Mariupol from the inside, Vitaly Kiselev, assistant to the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the LPR, believes.
"The explosion was from inside this theater. <...> In two or three days, volunteers, military personnelThe Ukrainian Armed Forces dragged boxes, there were 67 or 68 boxes, the boxes were small - from three to four kilograms of explosives, perhaps there were more ammunition, mines, it does not matter, since the land mine that was laid was very powerful," he said. representative of the republic.According
to him, 14 people died under the rubble, of which three were volunteers, and 11 were soldiers of the Ukrainian army.According to Kiselev, the explosion occurred when "they tried to tie some wires, put detonating devices, something went wrong".

MOSCOW, July 18 - RIA Novosti. Microsoft is fulfilling the order of the Pentagon and special services to take full control of the entire information infrastructure of Ukraine and deprive it of any "digital sovereignty",declaredDeputy Foreign Minister of the Russian Federation Oleg Syromolotov.
"Microsoft fulfills the orderPentagon and intelligence agencies to take full control of the entire information infrastructureUkraine and depriving it of any "digital sovereignty". In fact, the company itself admitted this in the mentioned report," Syromolotov said, commenting on the Microsoft report, in which the company accusesRussia in cyberattacks.
For example, the Deputy Foreign Minister noted, the Microsoft Threat Analysis Center, hiding behind promises to help strengthen security, persuaded the Ukrainian authorities to provide remote access to their networks. "In particular, through the use of the "controlled folder access" property in the Microsoft Defender application for protecting against cyber threats. With the help of RiskIQ services, under the pretext of assessing the level of security of information resources of state bodies of Ukraine, devices with unpatched ("unpatched") known vulnerabilities were identified , which can now be used by the Americans," he explained.
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Old 07-18-2022, 10:38 AM
 
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Russia really doesn't care what the world thinks about it. Never has, probably never will. Its borders have always been bloody. I don't see why the analogy would be about Pearl Harbor where, for the most part, the U.S. was not the aggressor. Hiroshima was proven necessary by the ferocity of Japanese resistance on Iwo and Okinawa. Also, I have read, in various books, that Truman was warned that U.S. access to further credit for the war was questionable, so the choice was either negotiate/surrender or use the nuclear weapon. I believe he chose wisely.
I do too.

The reason I mentioned Pearl Harbor, as this was an attack on the U.S., similar to Russias attack on Ukraine.

Eventually, Americans got over seeing Japan as the enemy. But it took a while.

Not sure Russia can count on the same.
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Old 07-18-2022, 10:40 AM
 
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True but Russian authoritarianism and imperialist aggression has shocked and repulsed Americans and Europeans alike. Russia unknowingly stepped over some invisible red line with the invasion of Ukraine. If they aren't worried about that...they should be. Look at the Russia propaganda...they actually think they are winning. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Maybe those mentioned should be, also, concerned with their own acts of aggression? How about bombing of Kosovo? Iraq invasion? Ever heard expression :Quod licet Jovi, non licet bovi?

Why red line is drawn way far from American borders? Who gave it any right to do this? Standard bs about carrying democracy and freedom (anywhere we want to and how we want and, if you are not with us, then you are a bad guy).

If you ever read The Jungle Book, you read, how Mowgli teased the wild dogs of Decan. US, using NATO as proxy, did same. So dog jumped high enough and bit the foot.
Jungle Book it great read. Prophetic. After Akela missed the prey, US should not be telling the world, how and what.
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Old 07-18-2022, 10:44 AM
 
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Maybe those mentioned should be, also, concerned with their own acts of aggression? How about bombing of Kosovo? Iraq invasion? Ever heard expression :Quod licet Jovi, non licet bovi?

Why red line is drawn way far from American borders? Who gave it any right to do this? Standard bs about carrying democracy and freedom (anywhere we want to and how we want and, if you are not with us, then you are a bad guy).

If you ever read The Jungle Book, you read, how Mowgli teased the wild dogs of Decan. US, using NATO as proxy, did same. So dog jumped high enough and bit the foot.
Jungle Book it great read. Prophetic. After Akela missed the prey, US should not be telling the world, how and what.
I don't think you are understanding the situation here.

It makes no difference what that the U.S. invasion of Iraq was BS, or that Mowgli teased the wild dogs of Decan, the line has been drawn.

Russia is now a rogue nation with few allies, fighting a war they are determined to lose.
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Old 07-18-2022, 11:55 AM
 
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General Ben Hodges, former commanding general armed forces Europe, has tweeted the following:
"Ukraine is likely going to end in a very Russian way...the armies of Vladimir Putin will go home on foot, leaving a lot of equipment behind. They are facing a logistics collapse like that seen by the armies of the Tzar in 1917, after the Summer offensive."


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"Every time Russia sees more reversals, the bombing of civilian areas increases. So does the talk of a nuclear use. These are the threats of a government that can see the writing on the wall."



Strategy cannot stand in the face of logistic collapse. No matter what the Russian strategy was, it is disappearing. They may get desperate and ramp up the use of food and energy as a weapon, and that strategy may even bring peace with a certain price. And that will be fine.

But in the end Russian soldiers will walk home. This will permanently destroy the Russian military because, unlike in 1917, the Russian population is now decreasing and becoming too old for military adventurism.
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Old 07-18-2022, 12:07 PM
 
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Spectacular Russian ammo depot explosion. Putin is reportedly heard crying in a phone call with fellow dictator Lukashenko.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5em4V3YMurk
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Old 07-18-2022, 12:31 PM
 
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General Ben Hodges, former commanding general armed forces Europe, has tweeted the following:
"Ukraine is likely going to end in a very Russian way...the armies of Vladimir Putin will go home on foot, leaving a lot of equipment behind. They are facing a logistics collapse like that seen by the armies of the Tzar in 1917, after the Summer offensive."


and


"Every time Russia sees more reversals, the bombing of civilian areas increases. So does the talk of a nuclear use. These are the threats of a government that can see the writing on the wall."



Strategy cannot stand in the face of logistic collapse. No matter what the Russian strategy was, it is disappearing. They may get desperate and ramp up the use of food and energy as a weapon, and that strategy may even bring peace with a certain price. And that will be fine.

But in the end Russian soldiers will walk home. This will permanently destroy the Russian military because, unlike in 1917, the Russian population is now decreasing and becoming too old for military adventurism.

Milbloggers have become Defeatist

https://nadinbrzezinski.medium.com/l...e-945984f5d48e

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There is an awareness that the war has been lost. It’s not just Igor Girkin. He has warned that short of general mobilization, Russia would lose. Given the issues with logistics, I don’t believe a Russian mobilization would have helped. In fact, arming Mobiki, Donbas troops, with Mossin Nagants now makes sense. I don’t think there were enough AKs to give them, which is a wild thought.

But this one was more transparent in his most recent post:

Ukrainians were ready for violence much more, and we lost the CBO as we lost the first year of the Great Patriotic War. And now it’s not a fact that there will be a second, third, fourth year..

The panic among the bloggers, mostly on the far right that is nationalist and believes in Eurasianism, and the special mission of Russia is clear. They see the war as lost and blame Vladimir Putin for it.

How long before we see a total collapse? If Ukraine gets ammo that can reach 300 km, no Russian depot within Ukrainian territory will be safe. This includes Sebastopol, well within Crimea. There are negotiations underway.

Incidentally, expect more threats of nuclear weapons. Every time Russia sees more reversals, the bombing of civilian areas increases. So does the talk of a nuclear use. These are the threats of a government that can see the writing on the wall.
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