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Yes 198 39.52%
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Old 07-19-2022, 08:19 AM
 
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Lol. I love the Russian copioum. The latest one Ive seen was some of the Russians saying that the ukraines are being modified in experimental labs to create super soldiers. That the latest excuse. Seriously.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/russia...ecret-biolabss

Btw-there’s a link to the source. In Russian, from Russia.
It is also a way to dehumanize the Ukrainians. Russia says their country does not exist, they have no culture or history outside of the Russian world, now they are saying, look they are not even human!

Makes it easier for their genocidal plan.

https://ria.ru/20220403/ukraina-1781469605.html

https://ria-ru.translate.goog/202204..._x_tr_pto=wapp
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Old 07-19-2022, 08:38 AM
 
Location: NYC
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Once again, your "understanding" of this conflict is extremely shallow.

War isn't what YOU want it to be. Russia has its goals, and unlike you, it has leaders who know what the interests of Russia are and know what to do to have the best chance at attaining them.



Azov, Svoboda, Right Sector? The murderers who took away the lives of 14k Donbass civilians? Yes. Too bad facts which contradict your highly flawed outlook are not acceptable in your thought process.

As it is.
Comedy gold. Let's revisit this in a decade shall we? I'm looking forward to the next Soviet collapse.
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Old 07-19-2022, 08:38 AM
 
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"Originally Posted by greywar: Lol. I love the Russian copioum. The latest one Ive seen was some of the Russians saying that the ukraines are being modified in experimental labs to create super soldiers. That the latest excuse. Seriously."

I imagine this propaganda was made up to encourage the Russian people to support the war.

Are the Russian general public THAT stupid? Or are they as prone to conspiracy nonsense as so many people nowadays?

There are tons of rumours that Russian soldiers are purposely getting injured to get out of this ridiculous war. I don't blame them TBH.
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Old 07-19-2022, 08:42 AM
 
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No, you are incorrect.

The Russians - and this is a point that has been made on C-D since February, but you and other posters refuse to believe it because it does not square with your view of what is occurring - are not engaged in a war of conquest. ...
Russian actions belie your claim.

If they were not engaging in a war of conquest they would not be setting up Russian administrations in the occupied zones, nor kidnapping Ukrainian citizens and deporting them into Siberia. This is clearly a campaign of conquest, Russia intends to annex everything it occupies.
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Old 07-19-2022, 08:43 AM
 
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Russia needs to be careful here or the US might get serious about this. And if they WANT to claim we are directly involved, feel free to attack us and find out EXACTLY what being involved looks like. But they wont. At heart they are bullies and cowards.
Exactly. Russia talks a lot of big boy talk, but the whole world sees how terrible their little army is with their out dated soviet gear. Pooty Poot does not have the stones to attack America. He's just a weak coward.
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Old 07-19-2022, 08:45 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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No, you are incorrect.

The Russians - and this is a point that has been made on C-D since February, but you and other posters refuse to believe it because it does not square with your view of what is occurring - are not engaged in a war of conquest. The Russians have the means to engage in the "shock and awe"-style war that the U.S. conducted in Iraq in 2003. The Russian air force could have bombed major Ukrainian cities no differently than the USAF did against Iraq in 1991. If the Russians were out to destroy Ukraine, or to terrorize the population and to force Kiev to surrender quickly, it would have done this months ago.

The Russians' approach to this war has been methodical, to engage, encircle, and eliminate pockets of Ukrainian resistance. Azovstal was probably the one example of this which the western media cared to highlight.

The Russians have deployed a small part of its military to this conflict. And still, it has captured a substantial part of Ukraine as it is well underway in attaining the goal of liberating Donbass.
Here is how I'm interpreting that


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hNIX7V21pU
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Old 07-19-2022, 08:52 AM
 
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... The latest one Ive seen was some of the Russians saying that the ukraines are being modified in experimental labs to create super soldiers. That the latest excuse. Seriously.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/russia...ecret-biolabss

Btw-there’s a link to the source. In Russian, from Russia.
LOL. that's actually pretty funny.

Quite a compliment to the Ukrainians, the Russians think that their opponents are super soldiers! How else could it be that the much vaunted Russian Army is getting it's clock cleaned?

The reality is that both armies have a large number of 2nd rate soldiers, the recent recruits and citizen soldiers, but the Ukrainian professionals have been training up to NATO standards with the help of the UK especially, and some other countries as well. They have developed a credible NCO corps and they can think for themselves under the stress of battle.

The development of the Ukrainian military has a long way to go, but it's progress thus far is impressive, and they are highly motivated.
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Old 07-19-2022, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Tricity, PL
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Too bad the Ukrainians are bleeding dozens of men by the day, as Ukraine just repeatedly sends men with barely any training to the front, and with barely anything else other than a rifle and ammunition, where they are easy pickings for Russia's long-range artillery. With what they have, the Russians are winning this war.

And Ukraine is not going to be able to prevent that.
The very serious question here is what could happen if Russia win the war.

Russia has won extensive territory since then and appears poised to win the whole of the Donbas, with a 1/4 of Ukraine’s land and 3/4 of its industrial capacity.
Putin is attempting to demonstrate that he can exploit extreme violence to secure a vastly larger role on the world stage than Russia’s economic and political stature confers.
Europe feels the needs to liberate itself from Russian energy bondage and to rearm. But this takes time while Putin's soldiers are advancing in the Donbas region.
Russia is fortifying the territories it has seized. Russia continues to devastate Ukraine - by the latest estimates, it has inflicted over $100 billion of infrastructure damage, and counting...
Despite its army’s stunning losses and poor morale, Putin still has at his disposal an inventory of unused weapons, some of them horrible. Putin can characterize any assault on Russian property as representing an existential threat, which would justify his unleashing weapons of mass destruction.
Putin is convinced that the soft West will sooner or later decide that its creature comforts, and above all its energy needs and fear of his nuclear weapons, will compel acquiescence.
Can we indefinitely allow ourselves to succumb to a Russian or Chinese nuclear bluff?
Unfortunately, much of the world remains indifferent to the struggle...

So, what could happen if he wins the war??

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/ar...urope-must-act
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Old 07-19-2022, 10:09 AM
 
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Russian actions belie your claim.

If they were not engaging in a war of conquest they would not be setting up Russian administrations in the occupied zones, nor kidnapping Ukrainian citizens and deporting them into Siberia. This is clearly a campaign of conquest, Russia intends to annex everything it occupies.
The Russian “authorities” in occupied Mariupol have passed a “law” making it illegal for Ukrainian citizens to own property.

https://twitter.com/JayinKyiv/status...CyxYuvyYArAAAA

Stolen cities given to the occupiers.
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Old 07-19-2022, 10:41 AM
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At some point the Russian army, previously described as "pathetic, weak, incompetent, clumsy, unprofessional, cowardly, and bumbling" will mutiny.
They will leave their munitions in Ukraine and walk home.
In that post about the ethnic minority battalions they were sending--I wouldn't put it beyond Putin to use this war to try to deal with the problem of the higher birth rate of non-Russians, especially Muslims, in the Russian Federation. Kill off a bunch of ethnic minority males in prime reproducing age.
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