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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 201 39.64%
No 257 50.69%
Unsure 49 9.66%
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Old 08-03-2022, 10:14 AM
 
Location: Raleigh
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It won't matter whether they "care" or not. Every automobile manufacturer (for example) has pulled out of Russia and will not provide spare parts. "Caring" has nothing to do with owning a car that has a routine breakdown and cannot be repaired.
You really think they can't get what they need from China or machine it themselves? My point is that they aren't going to elect a new government. It's a totalitarian state.
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Old 08-03-2022, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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the reality is that Russia invaded Ukraine and started killing civilians..Putin is a psycopathic scumbag that needs to die..
Yep....there is not a whole lot of ambiguity here. That's why the Free World responded they way it did.
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Old 08-03-2022, 10:36 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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the reality is that Russia invaded Ukraine and started killing civilians..Putin is a psycopathic scumbag that needs to die..
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Yep....there is not a whole lot of ambiguity here. That's why the Free World responded they way it did.
That's BS no matter how often you repeat it. Putin is a super decent, intelligent guy, who did what he had to do. He is ending a civil war the regime in Kiev had been waging for a decade with the help of the West.

And the free world is only the West, i.e. the brainwashed 10% of the world, basically white countries.
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Old 08-03-2022, 10:41 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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As I stated....there is not a whole lot of ambiguity here. That's why the Free World responded they way it did. Putin is a butcher.
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Old 08-03-2022, 11:22 AM
 
Location: moved
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You really think they can't get what they need from China or machine it themselves? My point is that they aren't going to elect a new government. It's a totalitarian state.
Autarchy or even a functional independence is impractical in the modern world. Imagine for a moment that the mighty USA were to be comparably sanctioned and isolated. How long would it prosper? Could America manufacture the microchips, drugs, chemicals, optics, circuitry, precision machinery and so on?

A middle-income country such as Russia could conceivably tool-up to start making spare cylinder heads, brake rotors, steering racks and the like, to plug gaps in supply chains to keep its cars and trucks running. But what about microchips for radar installations? Or chemotherapy drugs? For some things, the path towards tooling-up is lengthy but tractable. For others, it just can't be done.... it would take decades in the most ideal conditions, and current conditions are hardly ideal.

The connection between economic privation and political stability is a separate issue. Famously in American politics, "it's the economy, stupid!"... and hence, bad economic news swiftly leads to election losses. In a semi-totalitarian state, the connection is much weaker. But it's not completely absent. The original Russian revolution of March 1917 started as a bread-riot. It wasn't about voting rights, repression of political speech, ethnic discrimination, police brutality or anything like that... it was pocketbook issues, like having enough to eat. Likely, the Russian economy could decline pretty far, before the current regime teeters. But how far? We will have only been sure, in eventual hindsight.
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Old 08-03-2022, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Port Charlotte FL
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That's BS no matter how often you repeat it. Putin is a super decent, intelligent guy, who did what he had to do. He is ending a civil war the regime in Kiev had been waging for a decade with the help of the West.

And the free world is only the West, i.e. the brainwashed 10% of the world, basically white countries.

damn, that's the funniest thing I've read in a while...
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Old 08-03-2022, 11:30 AM
 
Location: deafened by howls of 'racism!!!'
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triggered by sunflowers. what a world.
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Old 08-03-2022, 11:54 AM
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Location: Shawnee-on-Delaware, PA
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Illegals paying their family life savings then risking a lot sneaking through the Arizona desert at night trying to cross the border without getting caught would probably get a kick out of hearing some American on a message board saying USA has open borders.

The border between Italy and Switzerland is an example of an open border, not USA and Mexico.
U.S.-Mexico is a de facto open border. Back in the 90's I walked and bicycled several times between the U.S. and Canada without being stopped or questioned. That was a de facto open border.

We can play word games about the definition, but if anyone gets across into the U.S. and claims asylum they are highly unlikely to be deported. Whether their trek was hard or easy makes no difference.
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Old 08-03-2022, 02:33 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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You really think they can't get what they need from China or machine it themselves?...............
Yes. That's what I think.
Not only do I think that, every geopolitical politics professional in the world shares that opinion.


China will not - they cannot, for that matter - "provide Russia with what it needs". I know you have been told that by journalists, but it cannot be so. China's biggest import?.... Electrical equipment and machinery; so that's not going to be provided for Russia, is it. And so it goes. China imports lots and lots of things, so they don't have "extra" to provide to Russia. So they can't.


But would they, if they could?........... No. China imports 500B from USA, and 70B from Russia. China is not willing to see USA close the door economically. The two countries countries are interdependent. Things are going to get bad enough in China in the coming decades as its population collapses. They will not be willing to hasten their demise.
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Old 08-03-2022, 02:41 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Seems that the International Criminal Court, ICC, has refused to call Russia's SMO an aggression.
By the way, it was Ukrainian foreign minister Kuleba that said that, not Russians.
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