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Old 08-02-2022, 09:57 PM
 
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Todays Update

https://www.understandingwar.org/bac...sment-august-2

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Russian forces have likely decided to attack Avdiivka frontally from occupied Donetsk Oblast territory rather than waiting for Ukrainian forces to withdraw from their prepared defensive positions as a result of Russian envelopment operations northeast of the settlement.

The Russian Defense Ministry is likely trying to assuage distress that Ukraine’s effective use of the US HIMARS is causing Russian military personnel and milbloggers with inaccurate claims of destroying HIMARS launchers https://twitter.com/Euan_MacDonald/s...95299991375872

A representative of the Ukrainian Main Military Intelligence Directorate (GUR) reported on August 2 that Russia has refused to provide detailed information on which Ukrainian POWs were killed or injured in the July 28 Olenivka prison attack.

Initial and unconfirmed reports from August 2 suggest that Iran may have sent the first batch of UAVs to Russia for field testing.

A Russian missile strike reportedly damaged a Ukrainian air defense system in Lviv Oblast on August 2.
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Unconfirmed social media reports suggest that Iran may have sent the first batch of drones to Russia and sent pilots and maintenance personnel to train on the Russian Su-35, potentially suggesting that Iran may seek to use recent aviation agreements to facilitate the acquisition of Russian combat aircraft.

Russian forces conducted unsuccesful offensive operations northeast and northwest of Kharkiv City.

Russian forces conducted limited ground attacks northwest of Slovyansk and east of Siversk.

Russian forces made marginal gains southeast of Bakhmut and continued offensive operations to the northeast and southeast of Bakhmut.

Russian forces made incremental advances around Avdiivka and are continuing attempts to push southwest of Avdiivka.

Russian forces launched two assaults in northern Kherson Oblast and are continuing to redeploy troops to the Southern Axis.

Russian federal subjects are forming new volunteer battalions in Novosibirsk, Saratov, Ulyanovsk, and Kurgan Oblasts, and are changing time periods for enlistment compensations.

Ukrainian civilians are continuing to resist the Russian occupation with acts of civil disobedience and partisan sabotage as the Kremlin considers longer-term methods of population control in occupied Ukraine.
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Ukrainian civilians are continuing to resist the Russian occupation with acts of civil disobedience and partisan sabotage. The Ukrainian Resistance Center reported on August 2 that Ukrainian civilians chased 40 Russian doctors out of abandoned homes in which they tried to settle in Berislav, Kherson Oblast.[58] Russian occupation authorities have been forced to import Russian civilian doctors on temporary military tours to treat injured Russian servicemembers because many Ukrainian medical staff members either evacuated occupied areas or refuse to collaborate with Russian occupation forces. Russian officials have offered doctors increased salaries and veteran status to move to occupied Ukrainian territories. The Ukrainian Resistance Center also reported on August 2 that many schools in occupied areas will be unable to open by September 1, the ordinary start of the school year, because Ukrainian children and their families have either evacuated or are unwilling to attend Russian-run schools.[59] The Center reported that many Ukrainian teachers are also refusing to participate in the Russian curriculum, forcing Russian occupation authorities to import teachers from Russia and occupied Crimea.

The fire set by Ukrainian partisans on July 30 in a field near Russian-occupied Bezimenne, about 20km east of Mariupol, successfully damaged Russian military equipment at a nearby military base, according to an August 1 update by exiled Mariupol mayoral advisor Petro Andryushenko.[60] Ukrainian sources had reported the effort to damage Russian equipment and fortifications and to prevent Russian occupation authorities from looting Ukrainian grain on July 30.
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The Kremlin is likely considering longer-term methods to subdue the occupied Ukrainian population beyond the increased securitization on which ISW has previously reported. State Duma Defense Committee Head Andrey Kartapolov said on Russian state-controlled television on August 1 that “the biggest problem [Russia faces in Ukraine] today is people … If we want these territories to be with us, to have a future as part of the Russian Federation … we need to deal with the children.”[62] Kartapolov advocated for taking Ukrainian children from their homes to Russian military boardings schools and universities. He argued that the Kremlin ”has to do this because then people will believe we are serious and that Russia is here for a long time—forever."

Russian officials like Kartapolov are increasingly blatant in demonstrating their intention to annex occupied Ukrainian territories. Russian Kherson Occupation Administration Deputy Head Kirill Stremousov said on August 2 that authorities will continue to allow Kherson residents to use the Ukrainian language, but that “Kherson Oblast will become a worthy part of Russia by forming a people’s government.”[63]

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Old 08-02-2022, 10:40 PM
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Todays Update

https://www.understandingwar.org/bac...sment-august-2



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If they really start taking children (beyond what they have already done), I might just think its time to send in the Air Force to exterminate as many of those terrorists as possible, allowing the Ukrainians to quickly finish off the rest.

I do think its time to send a message to Russia that certain things are beyond the pale. They have already broken many international laws and ignored the Geneva Convention.
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Old 08-02-2022, 11:01 PM
 
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If they really start taking children (beyond what they have already done), I might just think its time to send in the Air Force to exterminate as many of those terrorists as possible, allowing the Ukrainians to quickly finish off the rest.

I do think its time to send a message to Russia that certain things are beyond the pale. They have already broken many international laws and ignored the Geneva Convention.
Regardless of how the west responds this will only exacerbate the ever-growing counter-insurgency that is growing like a wildfire in southern Ukraine. You take people's kids away???? I don't see that assuaging the problems there. That is the nature of insurgencies...the more draconian the measures to control the population....the more extreme the resistance develops. Kherson Oblast is a boiling pot.
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Old 08-03-2022, 05:20 AM
 
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well, it appears that the Ukrainian counter offensive has begun..I wish them luck..

https://www.npr.org/2022/08/02/11152...retake-kherson

https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-him...illery-1730303

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...ke-2022-08-03/
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Old 08-03-2022, 07:05 AM
 
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The value of the Russian Ruble is about as meaningful as the value of the Confederate dollar. The ruble is valuable only in Russia. Russia has inflation of 17%, wages actually falling by 6%, and GDP falling by 15%.

Russia is crumbling. Its economy is in shambles and probably will never recover, thanks to sanctions and boycotts.
Do sanctions work?.... Yes. Venezuela has the largest oil reserve on the planet, but because of sanctions cannot turn their asset into money. Russia will have a similar status before too much longer.
I'm not sure that "Russia" as a whole really cares. And I don't think they can be compared to Venezuela for 100 different reasons.
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Old 08-03-2022, 08:46 AM
 
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I recommend people to read sources from both sides, else you will continue to be surprised by reality...
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Old 08-03-2022, 08:49 AM
 
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Open borders do NOT work, and never have.
Illegals paying their family life savings then risking a lot sneaking through the Arizona desert at night trying to cross the border without getting caught would probably get a kick out of hearing some American on a message board saying USA has open borders.

The border between Italy and Switzerland is an example of an open border, not USA and Mexico.
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Old 08-03-2022, 08:58 AM
 
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The value of the Russian Ruble is about as meaningful as the value of the Confederate dollar. The ruble is valuable only in Russia. Russia has inflation of 17%, wages actually falling by 6%, and GDP falling by 15%.

Russia is crumbling. Its economy is in shambles and probably will never recover, thanks to sanctions and boycotts.
Do sanctions work?.... Yes. Venezuela has the largest oil reserve on the planet, but because of sanctions cannot turn their asset into money. Russia will have a similar status before too much longer.
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I'm not sure that "Russia" as a whole really cares. And I don't think they can be compared to Venezuela for 100 different reasons.
It won't matter whether they "care" or not. Every automobile manufacturer (for example) has pulled out of Russia and will not provide spare parts. "Caring" has nothing to do with owning a car that has a routine breakdown and cannot be repaired.


The Venezuela of a few years ago could not be compared to Venezuela today. In spite of having the largest oil reserve in the world, they cannot turn it into money because they lack the drilling expertise, and the countries that do will not do business with them.
Hopefully, Russia will enter that state in the next few years.
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Old 08-03-2022, 09:38 AM
 
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I recommend people to read sources from both sides, else you will continue to be surprised by reality...
the reality is that Russia invaded Ukraine and started killing civilians..Putin is a psycopathic scumbag that needs to die..
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Old 08-03-2022, 09:53 AM
 
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It won't matter whether they "care" or not. Every automobile manufacturer (for example) has pulled out of Russia and will not provide spare parts. "Caring" has nothing to do with owning a car that has a routine breakdown and cannot be repaired.


The Venezuela of a few years ago could not be compared to Venezuela today. In spite of having the largest oil reserve in the world, they cannot turn it into money because they lack the drilling expertise, and the countries that do will not do business with them.
Hopefully, Russia will enter that state in the next few years.
Agreed. All the capital leaving Russia DOES matter in this day and age. All the major companies, including the auto manufacturers / parts.

Unless the people of Russia don't mind living in the stone age, it will matter.

The report that even China imports have dropped substantially shows that Chinese companies are withdrawing their supplies, fearing repercussions from their biggest customer - USA.

I'm not saying that Russia can't weather the storm for a while, but after months of shortages of common goods and parts, not only will the economy falter, but the moral of the people won't be good.

Good luck with that Putin
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