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Ha ha ha ha ha....that's a good one. If they had the capacity to fix their logistics they wouldn't find themselves in the state of panic and desperation they are in now. The Russian military has demonstrated itself as a Paper Tiger....probably the largest Paper Tiger in history. To bring reform to a vast military structure takes years and a massive investment. What your suggesting equates to building a jumbo jet while its flying. Not likely. To believe this is possible is simply being in "denial"
"In the long run Russia has the means to defeat the Ukraine."
No....No it doesn't. If it had the means they would be defeating Ukraine right now.
Likewise if the Ukraine had the means to defeat Russia they would have liberareated the entire country including Crimea by now. But they have had only very limited success pushing the Russians out of certain logistically challenged areas for the Russians. But in the Russian strongholds, the Russian defence lines seem to be holding pretty well, and in some cases they are still taking some small territories.
Again it is a war of attrition. And the Russians can win that war. They have more men to sacrifice then the Ukraine does.
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And yet, we funded a 300k strong Afghan army. Why? I'm sure the weapons were somewhat superior to the AK-47.
P.S. And on a related note, in the NE, Ukraine mustered a huge numerical advantage.
I put effectively and modern in caps for a reason.
Yeah, that tactical advantage that Ukraine gained was pretty evident.
I just look at Russia's problems and a bunch of unwilling grunts isn't going to solve low morale, poor logistics, poor command structure, old gear, non-maintained newer gear etc.
Again, look to the reef that is the Moskva and it's 3 layers of unused missile defenses. It shouldn't have been sunk but it was. I think that is the most poignant example of what has been Russia's problem.
I feel sorry for the average Russian soldier, the corruption and beauracracy has left them fighting at a huge disadvantage. I have much respect for the Russian people, but the country has consistently gotten the shaft by it's own leadership over the centuries.
Apparently the country, you know Finland, thinks otherwise. You should have shared your sage advice with them in order to save them from being a target.
Unfortunately, what appears to be happening now, makes Finland a moot point, really, as the situation has deteriorated rapidly, largely because it appears that those in charge at NATO are about as maniacal and idiotic as many of the mouth breathers here.
With Putin formally announcing that the Russian Republic is now at war with NATO and the United States, you all are apparently unaware to what this means, and the magnitude of his pronouncement. It means WW III has begun. Just because there have been no mushroom clouds, only indicates the stage of the war at this point. Perhaps you are waiting for CNN to tell you World War III has begun?
Putin has known all along that NATO expansion was an existential threat, and their goal was to choke off, isolate, and ultimately eliminate Russia as an independent world power, so this open announcement of this ongoing state of war signals a shift. He has been warning, in diplomatic terms, that NATO must stop these aggressive and provocative actions, and those warnings have been ignored. The special military operation initiated earlier this year (that people are mistakenly calling a war) was a demonstration to show Russia is not bluffing, and to this point, the operation has been measured and limited to avoid destroying civilian infrastructure and minimize civilian casualties, so as to leave the door open for a negotiated settlement. This no longer appears to be the strategy moving forward, and that’s not good news for anybody.
I have read these comments about how Russia is getting it’s ass kicked, and all of the other brain dead blather from the typical sources, but what few realize is that Russia has not actually launched a full scale invasion of Ukraine, yet. And unless the United States and NATO manage to summon some sanity, and cease its most resent shift from defense to offensive military operations, the shyte is about to hit the fan. That was the purpose of Putin’s declaration of being at war with the US. A final warning.
The evidence supporting this comes from the fact that the Russian Air force has played an extremely limited role so far. In a full scale invasion, the sky would have been filled with Russian combat aircraft, raining down destruction on Ukraine and Ukrainian forces, who have no military answer for such an offensive. That would have required direct US/NATO air combat operations to defend Ukraine, and that’s what Putin was hoping to avoid. That’s no longer the situation.
The reports of mass conscription in Russia, depicted by western media as a sign that Russia is desperate and running out of front line bodies is pure nonsense. What it does mean is that Russia is preparing for a full scale military offensive, which Ukraine is totally incapable of withstanding. Utilizing all of its military assets, Russia can blast through Ukrainian defense forces like they aren’t even there, and could continue all the way to Berlin, if it wanted to. And there isn’t anything Ukraine, NATO or the United States could do to stop them, other than using tactical nuclear weapons that we don’t have, but Russia does. Therefore, the limited nuclear option isn’t there, because our forces aren’t equipped with small yield tactical nukes. So, the big ones would be required.
Those conscription efforts in Russia are a mobilization sign. In combat operations so far, the vast majority of Russian combat forces were providing logistical support to the limited front line troops. The conscripts will be used to fill those roles, quadrupling the front line combat force capability, and along with full scale air support, will remove the Ukrainian military entirely. Ukraine’s military personnel are facing total annihilation.
The question is now, will NATO risk escalating this to a full scale nuclear war in order to turn back such a Russian offensive? Or, will Russia take Ukraine in totality. Those seem to be the two options left on the table.
Not since WW II, and never in the nuclear age, has any leader of the world’s nuclear powers ever announced a state of war with the other nuclear powers. This goes way beyond the Cuban Missile crisis of the 1960’s. And those v\claiming that Putin is bluffing, are obviously not paying attention.
I put effectively and modern in caps for a reason.
Yeah, that tactical advantage that Ukraine gained was pretty evident.
I just look at Russia's problems and a bunch of unwilling grunts isn't going to solve low morale, poor logistics, poor command structure, old gear, non-maintained newer gear etc.
Again, look to the reef that is the Moskva and it's 3 layers of unused missile defenses. It shouldn't have been sunk but it was. I think that is the most poignant example of what has been Russia's problem.
I feel sorry for the average Russian soldier, the corruption and beauracracy has left them fighting at a huge disadvantage. I have much respect for the Russian people, but the country has consistently gotten the shaft by it's own leadership over the centuries.
Wrong across the board. Stop listening to liberal nonsense news. Hell is about to be released on Ukraine, unless the adults enter the room and put this insanity to bed.
Likewise if the Ukraine had the means to defeat Russia they would have liberareated the entire country including Crimea by now.............
Talk about stating the obvious!
Of course Ukraine cannot defeat Russia! That's why the entire world is helping. If the world had understood in advance what Russia intended to do, Ukraine would be better armed. As it is, the weapons will be continuously provided until Ukraine says they will no longer continue fighting.
Ukraine says they will fight until the last Russian soldier walks home. Putin has promised 10 years in prison for surrendering, which is actually an improvement over WW2 days when they just shot you.
Putin has put the Russian general population in a terrible position. I have no idea what the citizens of Russia will do about it. Perhaps nothing, and just go along resulting in a death toll in hundreds of thousands; perhaps a full scale revolution. Whatever .... Russia has got a really big problem - one they did not have in January.
Talk about stating the obvious!
Of course Ukraine cannot defeat Russia! That's why the entire world is helping. If the world had understood in advance what Russia intended to do, Ukraine would be better armed. As it is, the weapons will be continuously provided until Ukraine says they will no longer continue fighting.
Ukraine says they will fight until the last Russian soldier walks home. Putin has promised 10 years in prison for surrendering, which is actually an improvement over WW2 days when they just shot you.
Putin has put the Russian general population in a terrible position. I have no idea what the citizens of Russia will do about it. Perhaps nothing, and just go along resulting in a death toll in hundreds of thousands; perhaps a full scale revolution. Whatever .... Russia has got a really big problem - one they did not have in January.
I'd rather be shot than spend 10 years in a Russian prison.
Talk about stating the obvious!
Of course Ukraine cannot defeat Russia! That's why the entire world is helping. If the world had understood in advance what Russia intended to do, Ukraine would be better armed. As it is, the weapons will be continuously provided until Ukraine says they will no longer continue fighting.
Ukraine says they will fight until the last Russian soldier walks home. Putin has promised 10 years in prison for surrendering, which is actually an improvement over WW2 days when they just shot you.
Putin has put the Russian general population in a terrible position. I have no idea what the citizens of Russia will do about it. Perhaps nothing, and just go along resulting in a death toll in hundreds of thousands; perhaps a full scale revolution. Whatever .... Russia has got a really big problem - one they did not have in January.
Thanks...you beat me to it....pretty much was going to say the same thing.
Wrong across the board. Stop listening to liberal nonsense news. Hell is about to be released on Ukraine, unless the adults enter the room and put this insanity to bed.
If I had to describe your post as a type of meat, it would be tofu.
Disagreement with no actual rebuttal, whine about liburls and then some vague threat because apparently Russia hasn't really been trying.
Wrong across the board. Stop listening to liberal nonsense news. Hell is about to be released on Ukraine, unless the adults enter the room and put this insanity to bed.
If Russia introduces unconventional weapons into this war....NATO will finish it.
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