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Ukraine agreed not to seek NATO membership in the early days of the war. Russia basically agreed that Ukraine could join the EU. I find it hard to believe that Ukraine wouldn't have given in on Crimea at that point. Russia could have had that months ago. That isn't what Putin wants.
Whatever Zelensky said just prior to the invasion isn't what Ukrainian political leaders have been saying for years. Regardless, Putin wanted Zelensky out and then he would put in a puppet leader as he has in Belarus.
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Ukraine and Georgia, both of which expressed interest in MAP in the 2000s, have yet to be allowed to participate, despite receiving vague promises from NATO leaders in 2008 that they would be welcomed in at some point in the future.
No. Russians are not like us. Just today, international human rights investigators, not NATO, not Ukraine, tell of multiple instances of Russians torturing and raping children. Russians prove everyday with their actions that they were and remain barbarians.
International Human Rights investigators? Please. You know, it’s a mighty skinny slice of ham that has only one side.
You know how the Japanese were convinced to fight the “American invaders” and fight to the death instead of surrendering or allowing themselves to be captured? They were told that the American savages would toss babies into the air, and catch them on their bayonets. They were told that the American savages would dismember and eat them like cannibals, and rape and torture and kill the women and children. So, it’s not surprising how they would gladly fight till the end, and even suicide themselves to take out the savage American monsters.
There is a very brave fellow named Patrick Lancaster, a journalist, who has been living in the Donbas region of Ukraine for several years now, and has been reporting on what is really happening there, not just since the war began, but long before it. He had a YouTube channel but much of his work was routinely removed, because it didn’t fit the propaganda narrative. He has traveled and reported from a wide range of places, including the Crimea, and has posted hours of videos of actual testimonies from citizens in the streets. Stories from real people, not reports from biased propaganda sources. And he’s lived there, and experienced life there first hand. He’s an American, and an independent journalist not affiliated with any organization. You should take the time to investigate for yourself, because your attitude is very dangerous, and very Nazi-ish, in your willingness to demonize an entire group of people, based on nothing more than “reports”.
It just shows a propensity on your part, for hate, rather than the desire for understanding, and seeking the truth.
Earlier, someone dismissed Jordan Petersons suggestion that we all have a side to us that is Hitler-like. And here you are … condemning the Russians just as Hitler condemned the Jews.
You’d make a fine officer in the Azov Battalion. Maybe you should go over and volunteer to fight those dirty rotten Russians?
Whatever Zelensky said just prior to the invasion isn't what Ukrainian political leaders have been saying for years. Regardless, Putin wanted Zelensky out and then he would put in a puppet leader as he has in Belarus.
If we were to count up the puppets, I’d wager that Russia has a bit of catching up to do with the US/CIA
You guys need to read a couple of books, for crying out loud. The ignorance is palpable.
You might want to start with John Perkins, “Confessions of an Economic Hit Man”. Mr. Perkins describes in details never before revealed how nations and their governments are subverted, first with bribes, then by assassins, and then, if necessary, military action to eliminate the uncooperative, and replaced with those who will cooperate.
Some of the more notable examples of this took place in the 1950’s in Iran. A very popular Iranian President refused to relinquish Iran’s oil reserves to be plundered, so he had to go bye bye, and that he did. He was replaced by the Shaw of Iran, a brutal western puppet dictator who for years murdered any political opposition, who by all accounts was a psychopathic killer. There are dozens, if not hundreds more. Saddam Hussein was another CIA installed dictator, as was Gaddafi of Libya, Mubarak of Egypt, Noriega of Panama, and so many others, I don’t have the time to list.
But the book gives very specific, historically verifiable examples, that of course, don’t quite match the official narrative at all.
Well, the Taliban did not have 20 billion + in military assistance.
And of course there were 10s of thousands of casualties in the Afghan army/police.
It was calculated that based only on the sanctions placed on Iraq before its destruction by invasion, 500,000 children died from lack of food and medicine. When Sec of State, Madeline Albright was asked if it was worth it, she coldly said, yes, we think it was worth it.
Millions of lives have been either lost or destroyed in the military actions associated with Iraq, Libya, and Afghanistan alone, with countless other examples.
Millions of Vietnamese were killed, maimed or lives destroyed, related to US military intervention there, that turned out to be pointless in the end. But it sure made a lot of money for the Military Industrial Complex. They made a killing on the killing.
There is big money in war. That’s why we have so many of them.
Oil is at $77 today. Putin must sell at 30% discount.
When he invaded it was $92, and he could get full price. And in August oil production began to fall. It is expected to fall 20% by January.....
Oil is at $77 today. Putin must sell at 30% discount.
When he invaded it was $92, and he could get full price. And in August oil production began to fall. It is expected to fall 20% by January.....
Sometimes, ya gotta smile.
I can think of a few better reasons to smile about lower oil prices, than how it impacts Putin.
Yup, it figures your analysis of Russia goes as deep as watching a video of nightlife in Moscow. Please tell us again how we are all so misinformed.
Brace for another slab of bitchute dumps all rolled in a nice breading of angry demented ranting. Summary preview - You're idiots, Russia's great, America's bad, I know everything, I hate you all and the moon is made of green cheese and you can't prove it isn't. PS - You're lunatics.
You're not the first to suggest negotiating an end to the war. The fly in the ointment there is: how to get Russia to agree to negotiations.
Erdogan claims he's made progress, an that the Kremlin recently stated, they'd like it to be over ASAP. However, the latest reports tell us, that there's a large group of hawks in the military and other high positions pushing for an intensified military effort. The latest initiative to call up "reservists" and others is the result of people pushing Russia's President in that direction. Those people clearly aren't interested in negotiating a settlement, even if the person in charge were secretly tired of it all, and were looking for an acceptable way out.
Of course negotiation is what most people on both sides, including the support from abroad, want. This has been Biden's stated goal from the start. The trick is in convincing Russia to come to the negotiating table genuinely ready to negotiate. Same for Ukraine, really. Ukraine offered from the start to forget about joining NATO, and agree to be a neutral buffer state. That offer had no effect. They've also said from the start, that they won't give up any territory.
Don’t inject that senile criminal’s name in this conversation. Biden can’t even attend to his own toilet duties.
Need I remind you that Putin is on record offering a proposal that would have prevented the war before it even began. He offered Ukraine a guarantee that Russia would respect their territorial sovereignty, and assure no military action against them in exchange for their promise to abandon their efforts to join NATO. Ukraine rejected the proposal.
That offer alone destroys the narrative that Putin’s desire was to invade and take Ukraine entirely. I don’t condone the war at all, but let’s be honest about it. Putin was goaded into this mistake, due to the provocative actions of NATO, and it’s expansion, which Putin deemed an existential threat to Russia’s security. His offer supports that conclusion. Had the powers that be wanted to prevent the war, it could have been prevented. Consequently, it stands to reason that the war was not unwanted, and by the same measure, claims that Russia refuses to negotiate an end to the war in good faith, also fails the smell test.
You all need to stop listening to this endless propaganda and do a bit of personal research, and reach your own conclusions.
You cannot be this dense … clearly, Russia was provoked into this action. Acknowledging that fact doesn’t mean you agree with the action, but only that you understand what led up to it, and assign the appropriate level of responsibility for the consequences.
NATO expansion is a threat to Russia’s security. That’s a fact. And Russia has every reason to view it as a threat, because it was created as a military alliance to fight a war with the Soviet Union. Russia has repeatedly stated that Russia considers NATO adding former Soviet satellite states to its alliance as a security threat to Russia, but those concerns have been ignored.
There is direct culpability on the part of NATO for helping to create this crisis, while that does not condone Russia’s choice to engage military action in response.
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