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Sorry I didn't spell it out for you. My point was the only reason the US would not interfere with Ukraine is if we believed in the albeit over simplistic worldview I painted. But since we don't believe in spheres of influence, there is no reason to stay out of supporting Ukraine just because they were historically in the Soviet sphere of influence.
Well, we have hundreds upon hundreds of military bases around the world. So yeah, it seems we don't believe in sphereS of influence. Perhaps just a single sphere?
Maybe all of this is a bit much for some of you to process … and while I am no Russia apologist, as has been suggested, the meme that this is nothing other than unprovoked Russian aggression against an innocent country is pure bs in the extreme. The fact is, there exists such a degree of provocation on the side of NATO-US-UKRAINE, it’s hard to dismiss the deliberate appearances. Couple that with the fact that the entire war could have been avoided with only the agreement by Ukraine to end its quest for NATO membership, and this crap about unprovoked Russian aggression is completely without merit. If anything, it appears that the war was actually instigated deliberately by the west.
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All I know is, no one attacked Russia. No one invaded and sent troops across Russia’s sovereign borders. No one shelled Russian cities or tortured Russian civilians. No one blockaded Russian ports.
You can talk circles all you want but you can’t change the simple fact that Russia invaded Ukraine, not other way around.
Finland, Sweden and, yes Ukraine, were neutral, non-NATO states until Putin drove them to embrace nato for their own protection. The US was not providing offensive weapons to Ukraine until Putin revealed his goal of absorbing Ukraine (and who next?) into Greater Russia.
All I know is, no one attacked Russia. No one invaded and sent troops across Russia’s sovereign borders. No one shelled Russian cities or tortured Russian civilians. No one blockaded Russian ports.
You can talk circles all you want but you can’t change the simple fact that Russia invaded Ukraine, not other way around.
Finland, Sweden and, yes Ukraine, were neutral, non-NATO states until Putin drove them to embrace nato for their own protection. The US was not providing offensive weapons to Ukraine until Putin revealed his goal of absorbing Ukraine (and who next?) into Greater Russia.
Yep. There's a reason the former Eastern Bloc states like Poland and Romania joined NATO as fast as they could. Even more so for the former Soviet Baltic republics. They've experienced Russian repression before and want no part of it ever again.
We’ve waited thousands of years for you to come and solve the world’s problems. Great job. What took you so long?
Listen, if you want to cite anything as idiocy, you need to do a little idiot proofing of own ideas first, and you definitely haven’t done that. The very notion that 193 countries would agree to bow to the whims of your big 3 is as close to idiotic as anyone could get.
India, the second largest population on earth, and only slightly less population than China might be a problem … who gets the keys to their Cadillac in your great scheme for world peace? Whoever you pick, I’m sure they’d agree But there are just too many obvious problems with your scheme to even start listing them.
In a sideways sort of way though, you validated my point, obviously inadvertently. You suggest that there should be a level of non interference in the spheres of influence assigned to your big 3, but you don’t seen willing to acknowledge that the current conflict is precisely due to the interference the west is engaged in the former Soviet satellite states, with historic ties to Russia which date back before the United States even existed?
What’s the point? You just don’t have one.
The former satellite states want Russia to stay the hell out of their affairs. And Russia didn't listen. They want Russia to leave them alone.
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My my, my. How well this sideshow is working. Biden wants Putin in there to destroy evidence and as a side benefit, look at the 'circus' it has also been. Carry on.
All I know is, no one attacked Russia. No one invaded and sent troops across Russia’s sovereign borders. No one shelled Russian cities or tortured Russian civilians. No one blockaded Russian ports.
You can talk circles all you want but you can’t change the simple fact that Russia invaded Ukraine, not other way around.
Finland, Sweden and, yes Ukraine, were neutral, non-NATO states until Putin drove them to embrace nato for their own protection. The US was not providing offensive weapons to Ukraine until Putin revealed his goal of absorbing Ukraine (and who next?) into Greater Russia.
Too much idiocy for me to debate but I think in your view, Ukrainians are obviously only NPCs in this world while Russians are fully entitled to self determination.
So cynically to avoid bloodshed in this world, we should have the following worldview:
Main players: United States, China, Russia
These main characters are entitled to spheres of influence. The three main powers should sit down and have gentlemen's agreements on how to divide up this world into spheres and not get into any wars or proxy wars over people who belong to another's sphere.
The combined military might of all 3 powers should be able to coerce any unwilling participants into agreeing to play along. If someone wants to leave one sphere and join another, tough.
Noone else besides the 3 main powers should have any historical, cultural or ancestral claim to determine their own fates outside what the aforementioned gentlemen's agreement.
As you will see, this arrangement solves all major conflicts and any potential future conflicts.
It sounds like you have been in a coma for the last 30 years. Russia is not a main player in anything. The collapse of the Soviet Union ended Russia's sphere of influence. They are obviously trying to reestablish a sphere of influence and this is the result. It's obviously not going well for them.
They've been trained in Britain and Poland to use them.
We aren't there. Russians were there in Korea and Vietnam. The Russians supplied the Vietnamese with better artillery than we had. So any Russian complaints are crocodile tears.
First, don’t be so naive to think you know where military personnel are, or operating, based on the news. But aside that basic fact, it DOES NOT MATTER “where”, does it? If you provide someone a weapon, and you teach them how to use it, and they kill people with that weapon, you are by definition, involved in that killing, regardless of where you delivered the weapon, or provided the training.
Now, you want to go back to what happened in Korea? Viet Nam? Really? News Flash, you’re referring to the USSR, which is a nation that no longer exists and hasn’t for decades. Furthermore, that was another era, historically referred to as the “Cold War”, which involved the US and Soviet Union using proxies against each other all over the world, from Afghanistan to to Nicaragua, and everywhere in between. But it’s particularly noteworthy to highlight the fact that much of the military activities of the United States over your entire lifetime and before you were born, has taken place on the other side of the world, and geographically far from the US, while much of it unfolded near, or in Russia’s back yard. I’m not going to list all of the places and conflicts, as it would be a long list.
So, let’s not distract ourselves from the here and now, with all of this nonsense about what took place “back then”, while conveniently ignoring the fact that what is occurring in this “here and now” is taking place on soil that WAS part of the Soviet Empire back then, or that it involves lands and peoples who are historically tied to Russia long before the United States even existed. OK? Let’s be honest and accurate.
This doesn't hold up at all. By that definition, the Soviet Union was directly involved in the Vietnam War. Every piece of North Vietnamese hardware was Soviet and their army was trained exclusively by Soviets, both in the USSR and on Vietnamese soil. But the U.S. never considered the Soviet Union a combatant in Vietnam and the USSR did not consider the USA a combatant in Afghanistan even though we completely funded the mujahideen.
This isn’t nearly as hard as you’re making it ….
Let me point out some rather simple logic to you … the United States, as the most dominant military weapons and technology supplier in the world, having provided weapons systems to countless countries worldwide, with armaments, vehicles, aircraft, and sea going vessels produced by the United States. But that doesn’t mean we are directly involved in conflicts for which those things are used … perhaps a bit culpable for a great deal of death and suffering, but not directly involved.
However, it’s an entirely different matter when you provide weapons, munitions, and financial support to a party actively engaged in a conflict. And whether your involvement is justifiable or not, you are now in fact directly involved in that conflict, because you are providing direct material support for that conflict. It’s a very simple and obvious difference.
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But there are just too many obvious problems with your scheme to even start listing them.
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