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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 201 39.64%
No 257 50.69%
Unsure 49 9.66%
Voters: 507. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 12-22-2022, 01:40 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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In a way they don't matter but when you are on the wrong side of 185-2, that should tell you something. .........
Doesn't tell me anything.
You're talking about UN delegates. Bureaucrats. I don't even care what the US delegate thinks.
I will not go around holding my finger to the wind in order to determine what I should believe.


FWIW, many of my favorite columnists and journalists are speaking out against granting more money to Ukraine. I disagree with them. I think we should go full balls to the wall enforcing sanctions and providing weapons until Russia is impoverished beyond the possibility of recovery. It will be one giant step toward world peace, as the last two (China and Russia) belligerent superpowers enter into a long period of economic and population decline and then into irrelevance.
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Old 12-22-2022, 02:08 PM
 
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Doesn't tell me anything.
You're talking about UN delegates. Bureaucrats. I don't even care what the US delegate thinks.
I will not go around holding my finger to the wind in order to determine what I should believe.

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That's fine, when people from around the world believe differently though and are ignored, there can be consequences for this and other issues, so the US should be ready to face them.
Even the US itself is far from unified on the continuing embargo and hostility with Cuba.


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FWIW, many of my favorite columnists and journalists are speaking out against granting more money to Ukraine. I disagree with them. I think we should go full balls to the wall enforcing sanctions and providing weapons until Russia is impoverished beyond the possibility of recovery. It will be one giant step toward world peace, as the last two (China and Russia) belligerent superpowers enter into a long period of economic and population decline and then into irrelevance.
Well, I'm finding myself agreeing with certain right-wing politicians I hope to see voted out someday.

I think the last part of this paragraph is more fantasy.
China and Russia may outlast us for all we know.
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Old 12-22-2022, 02:13 PM
 
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Ukraine has an ally in Bakhmut. Wanted by the Putin Regime, Chechen jihadis side with Ukraine. If Ukraine prevails, they hope to take back their country Chechnya from Putin. They strap explosives to themselves so they won't be captured alive.

They say, "Russian troops are good at killing civilians. Here we slaughter them like cattles."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hND3DPX3sNU
I suggest you read up on operation Cyclone and everything that followed. Some people never learn.
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Old 12-22-2022, 03:38 PM
 
Location: Durham NC
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And Putin has been getting his tail whipped since March. So he should just pull out and concede.

Sure he has. What are you watching besides Denys? You do know what winning and losing mean don't you?
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Old 12-22-2022, 04:11 PM
 
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Sure he has. What are you watching besides Denys? You do know what winning and losing mean don't you?
Wrong....it ain't just Deny.....some of the most highly qualified military analyst can see the obvious.
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Old 12-22-2022, 05:50 PM
 
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Doesn't tell me anything.
You're talking about UN delegates. Bureaucrats. I don't even care what the US delegate thinks.
I will not go around holding my finger to the wind in order to determine what I should believe.


FWIW, many of my favorite columnists and journalists are speaking out against granting more money to Ukraine. I disagree with them. I think we should go full balls to the wall enforcing sanctions and providing weapons until Russia is impoverished beyond the possibility of recovery. It will be one giant step toward world peace, as the last two (China and Russia) belligerent superpowers enter into a long period of economic and population decline and then into irrelevance.
Yes, I'm 100% sure it doesn't tell YOU anything. Of course that's not the case for most people when they see that the only two countries voting against are US and Israel.
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Old 12-22-2022, 05:57 PM
 
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About time. A defensive weapon which works.
Unlikely that changes anything. Real world performance has been underwhelming to say the least. Seems suitable for protecting limited areas like military bases, not cities. And at a cool $1 billion, we are talking ONE battery.
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Old 12-22-2022, 06:43 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Sanctions at work:
European sanctions have cut off Russian metallurgists from a key sales market. According to the head of the Russian Union of Industrialists and Entrepreneurs Alexander Shokhin more than 30 million tons of steel products can't be sold.
That's not quite their yearly output, but it's pretty close.


In March 2022 Russian oil supplies to Europe through Druzhba pipeline amounted to 1,041 thousand barrels per day. According to the forecast for December 2022 they will drop to 260.
The price, meanwhile, has halved, to around $35.


Can Russia survive?..... Doubtful. The world no longer needs them.
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Old 12-22-2022, 07:38 PM
 
Location: Durham NC
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Wrong....it ain't just Deny.....some of the most highly qualified military analyst can see the obvious.
Betrayus and the like I am sure. Clueless liars but go on believing if it makes you feel good.
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Old 12-22-2022, 07:40 PM
 
Location: Durham NC
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Yes, I'm 100% sure it doesn't tell YOU anything. Of course that's not the case for most people when they see that the only two countries voting against are US and Israel.
World peace. Tell that to the half a million dead children the US killed.
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