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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 201 39.64%
No 257 50.69%
Unsure 49 9.66%
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Old 01-02-2023, 05:47 PM
 
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The Little Russians don’t want to be forced to be part of the family anymore.

They don’t want to be Russified anymore.

They want to be part of Europe.
Too late, Only very minor part of population, mostly in the West would want Western puppets. Batka Machno bach in the time id Civil War in Russia used to say:" kick reds until they turn white and kick whaites until they turn red..." West hopes for color revolution in Russia, even if all Ukis die. UK (London) would love that.
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Old 01-02-2023, 06:05 PM
 
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wwII Soviets as a family, Ukies, Russians, Jews....fought against Germany.
That was then...this is now.

Ukrainian soldiers are highly motivated....Russian soldiers ...not so much.
Therefore Ukraine will be victorious.
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Old 01-02-2023, 06:33 PM
 
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That was then...this is now.

Ukrainian soldiers are highly motivated....Russian soldiers ...not so much.
Therefore Ukraine will be victorious.
That really is the most definitive factor in this war. Most military analyst point out that wars are won at the level of infantry. Ukrainians are simply fighting for the very right to exist....Russians are fighting for Putin's ego....and they will lose.
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Old 01-02-2023, 06:47 PM
 
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wwII Soviets as a family, Ukies, Russians, Jews....fought against Germany.
Yes.... if the family is used to being absolutely dominated by an abusive parent. By June 1941, Stalin had eliminated anybody who might conceivably oppose him. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge
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Old 01-02-2023, 06:48 PM
 
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Too late, Only very minor part of population, mostly in the West would want Western puppets. Batka Machno bach in the time id Civil War in Russia used to say:" kick reds until they turn white and kick whaites until they turn red..." West hopes for color revolution in Russia, even if all Ukis die. UK (London) would love that.
Ukrainians seem pretty involved the in resisting Russian invasion and annexation.
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Old 01-02-2023, 06:53 PM
 
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Yes.... if the family is used to being absolutely dominated by an abusive parent. By June 1941, Stalin had eliminated anybody who might conceivably oppose him. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge
During my term in the Soviet Union, people in Ukraine had higher
living standards than in Russian republic, Baltic region was still much higher...I did not see any abuse. They were Soviets. Jewish was somewhat different.
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Old 01-02-2023, 07:00 PM
 
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Ukrainians seem pretty involved the in resisting Russian invasion and annexation.
Hitler was invested in by American interests, so Uki Nazi.
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Old 01-02-2023, 09:21 PM
 
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ISW Update 1/2/23

https://www.understandingwar.org/bac...january-2-2023

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Jan 2, 2023 - Press ISW

Ukrainian air defenses reportedly intercepted all drones from two consecutive nights of Russian drone strike attacks against Ukraine on December 31 – January 2. Ukraine’s air force reported on January 1 that Ukrainian air defense forces shot down all 45 Russian Iranian-made Shahed-136 drones that Russia fired at Ukraine on New Year's Eve. Ukrainian Air Force Spokesman Yuriy Ignat stated on January 1 that Ukrainian forces used the US-provided NASAMS air defense system to shoot down these drones. The Ukrainian General Staff reported on January 2 that Ukrainian forces intercepted all 39 Shahed-136 drones launched against Ukraine between the night of January 1 and 2. The Ukrainian General Staff again reported on January 2 that Ukrainian forces shot down all 27 Shahed-136 drones that Russian forces launched against Ukraine on January 2, though it is unclear if this figure includes the previously reported intercepts from the night between January 1 and 2. Deputy Head of the Ukrainian Main Intelligence Directorate (GUR) Vadym Skibitsky reiterated on January 1 that Russian forces only have enough cruise missiles to conduct two to three more large-scale missile attacks against Ukraine.
Well so much for the Iranian made drones.
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Old 01-02-2023, 09:28 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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wwII Soviets as a family, Ukies, Russians, Jews....fought against Germany.
That's because they were attacked by Germans.
Today, the Ukrainians are being attacked by Russians. It's sort of the same thing, with Russia playing the part of Germany. Russia will lose, just like Germany lost.
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Old 01-02-2023, 09:43 PM
 
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ISW Update 1/2/23

https://www.understandingwar.org/bac...january-2-2023



Well so much for the Iranian made drones.
So for several months now they had missiles left for only 2-3 attacks...
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