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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 201 39.88%
No 254 50.40%
Unsure 49 9.72%
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Old 02-06-2023, 11:38 PM
 
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Nonsense. The Russians have conducted this military action with extreme restraint, but those days are over, thanks to the actions of the US-NATO, in forcing Russia to step up the intensity.
LOL. Sure. Here is the thing I think you are missing. We are quite willing to keep escalating this. Weve sent Abrahms tanks, Bradleys, and ER weaponry. We can keep escalating this all day. Russia just cant. While the world would forgive almost anything if Russia was defending themselves, in this case they are not.

NATO is quite determined to not allow Russia to take land yet again with this unprovoked aggression.
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Old 02-07-2023, 03:19 AM
 
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What’s hard to believe here is how anyone could be aware of 50 years of the same damned lies over and over, with the same damned script, yet able to convince themselves to believe that this time is different!

That’s what’s hard to believe, Ruth. But there you are .. so I’m forced to believe it, as hard as it is.
Well, you know, it just might have something to do with the fact that Ukraine was chained to Russia against its will for 70 years, give or take. Is it hard to believe the Baltic States voted with their feet, or was their independence part of a CIA conspiracy, too? They don't really want independence, it was forced on them by the US, is that what you're going to tell us next?


back at'cha.

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Old 02-07-2023, 03:26 AM
 
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Where do you come up with this nonsense? You belong on some professional’s couch. But after half an hour, they’d probably need therapy themselves after trying to sort out that twisted insanity. LOL

You have indeed turned the entire scenario upside down. In case you missed it, the Russians are supposed to be the boogie man. God almighty, how can anyone miss that point? Whether one believes they are or not is not the issue, but that’s all we have been bombarded with is how the Rooooooskies are the boogie man!!!! So, keep with the script, will ya, or else we’ll have to find another actor to do your part.

Perhaps you should just s-t-f-u… that’s my advice, because now you’ve totally jumped the tracks, and trains don’t do well on dirt roads. LOL
Russia's it's own bogeyman? How do you figure? You're missing the last 1000 years of Russian national consciousness. They always blame others for their own failings.
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Old 02-07-2023, 05:36 AM
 
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Yeah, well I didn't.
Russia is failing. The longer it stays in Ukraine the closer to collapse it is.
The USSR failed because it ran out of money; it ran out of money because the price of oil collapsed in '87. Note it took 5 years for the collapse to actually happen. And note Urals oil sold for $49.83 today. Production cost is $44.

Ukraine wants to defend themselves against a larger country who is used to bullying people around and one who has no compunction about using food and energy as weapons. I think helping Ukraine is a pretty good idea.
Yes, you did; you have written you wanted Russia to collapse and if its people suffer, so be it.

Helping Ukraine? To the tune of billions and billions of dollars while our weapons stockpiles decrease? And who benefits? A small number of unbelievably corrupt people (starting with Zelensky)?

What will you say if indeed Russia wins and seizes and permanently controls all the land east of the Dnieper? Will it have been worth it, just to attempt to make Russia "collapse?"

Russia is not anywhere near collapse.
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Old 02-07-2023, 05:41 AM
 
Location: Durham NC
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LOL. Sure. Here is the thing I think you are missing. We are quite willing to keep escalating this. Weve sent Abrahms tanks, Bradleys, and ER weaponry. We can keep escalating this all day. Russia just cant. While the world would forgive almost anything if Russia was defending themselves, in this case they are not.

NATO is quite determined to not allow Russia to take land yet again with this unprovoked aggression.

That's what you are missing. Russia can do this all day while we will run out of materiel. But continue your fantasy you're welcome to it. Better yet why not start a 2 front war?
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Old 02-07-2023, 05:55 AM
 
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That's what you are missing. Russia can do this all day while we will run out of materiel. But continue your fantasy you're welcome to it. Better yet why not start a 2 front war?
Can you please explain how Russia "can do this all day while we will run out of materiel" ....
or is that just wishful thinking...with no basis in reality? And possibly just your personal fantasy.

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Old 02-07-2023, 05:56 AM
 
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The only thing I see on this thread right now is Russian desperation...it's simply pathetic.
Yes...they are getting desperate....and it is pathetic.
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Old 02-07-2023, 06:32 AM
 
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Well Russia can continue to engage war for years and years, like it did fighting Afghanistan in a conflict/war that lasted 9 years from '79 to '89. Russia even controlled Kabul and still gave up. All this to support the Soviet puppet Afghan leader that Russia installed by force. Russia did not like Afghanistan leadership acting independent, ignoring Russian demands. Fighting for 9 years was so costly it helped collapse the Soviet Union!

Yes, Russian can run out of weapons and material. Why is buying drones from Iran? Russia also has older tanks and older tech etc. But they will use everything they got until they run out. Like they did in Afghanistan.
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Old 02-07-2023, 06:47 AM
 
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LOL. Sure. Here is the thing I think you are missing. We are quite willing to keep escalating this. Weve sent Abrahms tanks, Bradleys, and ER weaponry. We can keep escalating this all day. Russia just cant.
It seems some reports are indicating Ukraine is low on soldiers so the west will also need to send more men as well. As long as we are willing to escalate to that point the war can continue. All the while more of the nation is destroyed. Reports are Russia has emptied their prisons and used the Wagner group, to inflict casualties and destruction. Russians have avoided using weapons of mass destruction, although if/when Western troops spring into action all options remain open to them.
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Old 02-07-2023, 06:59 AM
 
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Can you please explain how Russia "can do this all day while we will run out of materiel" ....
or is that just wishful thinking...with no basis in reality? And possibly just your personal fantasy.
Don't even know why I am engaging you but I'll give it a shot. What I think is pathetic is 16 year old children being drafted into a war their country has no chance in winning. People like you sit comfortably in whatever country you live in and cheer on death of innocent people on both sides. But what do you give a sheet right?

Ukraine started the war with what 2000 tanks now they want a couple hundred more? Like it's going to make any difference? With the exception of Odessa Russia controls the only land in Ukraine worth having. So tell me again how Russia is going broke and is losing while the vassal states of Europe bend the knee to whoever is calling the shots and lets their industry and people's lives burn to the ground.

All this over saving a democratic state on the other side of the world. Freaking laugh riot. They ain't a democracy and for the record neither are we.
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