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Old 02-08-2023, 11:57 AM
 
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not much of a suprise, but interesting.
https://www.city-data.com/forum/poli...rd-stream.html
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Old 02-08-2023, 11:58 AM
 
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But you are not a bit concerned with the bias of the corporate media, where everything is anti-Russia and pro-Ukrainian?

Never said that did it.

See, I could have argued with Clayton Morris myself too, here and there, but when you deal with the wall of the daily propaganda of the MSN and such, these arguments would seem minor.

Your correct, which is why I try to avoid MSM.

And of course I saw the reports of chemical weapons used by Ukrainians posted by people directly from the front lines first, that's why I could put two and two together after watching that video posted here by DavidT.

Then lets see these reports.

However according to you, this can't be happening, because the MSN et al never reported you about it, as much as they never reported that atrocious video of the execution of civilians by Azov.

Once again, never said that did i.

Ukraine - good, Russia - bad, and don't you ever forget the officially-promoted bottom line.

Ukraine better then Russian in the fact that Russia invaded Ukraine, you are correct.

What's going on with American media lately ( Western media in general) is simply unprecedented.
You can expect something like that from Russia, but from America?
Simply unbelievable.


What do you mean lately? Its been like this for years.
Could you show me where I said anything above that you are attributing to me? I am speaking about your "source" that Ukraine used chemical weapons.
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Old 02-08-2023, 12:05 PM
 
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The scheme was to build Ukraine into a force capable of direct engagement and defeat of the Russian military without the need for a direct NATO-Russia confrontation.
Why would Ukraine invade Russia?
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Old 02-08-2023, 12:05 PM
 
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But you are not a bit concerned with the bias of the corporate media, where everything is anti-Russia and pro-Ukrainian?

See, I could have argued with Clayton Morris myself too, here and there, but when you deal with the wall of the daily propaganda of the MSN and such, these arguments would seem minor.

And of course I saw the reports of chemical weapons used by Ukrainians posted by people directly from the front lines first, that's why I could put two and two together after watching that video posted here by DavidT.

However according to you, this can't be happening, because the MSN et al never reported you about it, as much as they never reported that atrocious video of the execution of civilians by Azov.

Ukraine - good, Russia - bad, and don't you ever forget the officially-promoted bottom line.

What's going on with American media lately ( Western media in general) is simply unprecedented.
You can expect something like that from Russia, but from America?
Simply unbelievable.
One solid piece of lie - that is what comes from MSN, 100% lie mixed with some 50% lie (which is much worse). " Unprecedented" as you said, we never been told the truth but this time is unprecedented.
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Old 02-08-2023, 12:07 PM
 
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Why would Ukraine invade Russia?
Cuba stationed Soviet nukes near Florida...
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Old 02-08-2023, 12:08 PM
 
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Cuba stationed Soviet nukes near Florida...
And? You are saying that it was Cubas plan to invade Florida?
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Old 02-08-2023, 12:11 PM
 
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Could you show me where I said anything above that you are attributing to me? I am speaking about your "source" that Ukraine used chemical weapons.

Nope, not going to play these games any longer.

I already proved you with the videos that show how Ukrainians are rounded up on the streets and sent to the slaughter on the front lines from the Telegram channels - Russian and Ukrainian alike. ( These videos keep on coming by the way.)

So you already know that I am not making things up, but those are the videos of course - everyone can see what's going on there, without even knowing the language.

Now when you are asking me for the sources of reports on the usage of the chemical weapons by Ukrainians, which are obviously coming from the Telegram military channels as well, the next thing you'll be questioning me, who is the person that reported it, what's his rank/regiment/exact location and so on ( since OMG, they write in Russian, so how can you check on all that - it must be Russian propaganda, in which I will be accused yet again.)

No thanks, be content with the "Redacted" report.

Now start drilling them instead, where they have got this information, and why they are doing the job that MSN refuses to do.
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Old 02-08-2023, 12:12 PM
 
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Nope, not going to play these games any longer.

I already proved you with the videos that show how Ukrainians are rounded up on the streets and sent to the slaughter on the front lines from the Telegram channels - Russian and Ukrainian alike. ( These videos keep on coming by the way.)

So you already know that I am not making things up, but those are the videos of course - everyone can see what's going on there, without even knowing the language.

Now when you are asking me for the sources of reports on the usage of the chemical weapons by Ukrainians, which are obviously coming from the Telegram military channels as well, the next thing you'll be questioning me, who is the person that reported it, what's his rank/regiment/exact location and so on ( since OMG, they write in Russian, so how can you check on all that - it must be Russian propaganda, in which I will be accused yet again.)

No thanks, be content with the "Redacted" report.

Now start drilling them instead, where they have got this information, and why they are doing the job that MSN refuses to do.
In other words, you make a claim, asked to provide an unbiased independent source like you always request and its a game.

Gotcha. You truly do not want to have an honest discussion; you just want to push your agenda.

Not to mention all your lies about things I never said nor claimed.
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Old 02-08-2023, 12:14 PM
 
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Why would Ukraine invade Russia?

See, since MSN is not telling you the truth of what post-Miadan Ukraine was all about, and what was the widely-promoted ideology of the new Nationalist government, you wouldn't have a clue why Ukraine "would invade Russia," once sufficiently prompted by the Western powers.
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Old 02-08-2023, 12:17 PM
 
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In other words, you make a claim, asked to provide an unbiased independent source like you always request and its a game.

Gotcha. You truly do not want to have an honest discussion; you just want to push your agenda.

Not to mention all your lies about things I never said nor claimed.

I provided with the source as independent and unbiased as I could, all while you never mention what "unbiased and independent" sources you get YOUR information from.
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