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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 201 39.88%
No 254 50.40%
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Old 02-28-2023, 10:21 AM
 
Location: Canada
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Would certainly be a shame if something were to happen to that factory.
Actually that point came up in the Reddit thread I was reading. Then a poster popped up and said he was actually born in the town. He said it was in the middle of nowhere and surrounded by mountains. He recalled that the only way in or out of the place was via train but didn’t say how long ago he was last there.

Another poster mentioned the town was 2,000+ km from Ukraine.
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Old 02-28-2023, 10:26 AM
 
Location: Port Charlotte FL
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A series of text messages I received this morning from a Russian friend living in St. Petersburg:

“They closed the airspace over the city. All planes. Removed from the airport. Opened cable TV channels! According to them, an air raid. We spent all night in a shelter. Fighters in the air.”

“Our new reality.”
https://www.quora.com/profile/Izzy-Luggs-1
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Old 02-28-2023, 10:28 AM
 
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Actually that point came up in the Reddit thread I was reading. Then a poster popped up and said he was actually born in the town. He said it was in the middle of nowhere and surrounded by mountains. He recalled that the only way in or out of the place was via train but didn’t say how long ago he was last there.

Another poster mentioned the town was 2,000+ km from Ukraine.
Russia carries on the Soviet tradition of “closed cities”.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed_city#Post-Soviet

There are currently 44 publicly acknowledged closed cities in Russia with a total population of about 1.5 million people. 75% are administered by the Russian Ministry of Defense, with the rest being administered by Rosatom.[5] Another 15 or so closed cities are believed to exist, but their names and locations have not been publicly disclosed by the Russian government.[6]
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Old 02-28-2023, 10:58 AM
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the Ukes are hitting the Reds in their homeland... a mere pretext for more to come..sow some panic among the Russian citizens..kill some soldiers, worry the military leaders even more than they already are..





https://www.thedailybeast.com/drones...from-all-sides
I can't believe they could attack St. Petersburg unless they did it from inside Russia. That is a very long way from Ukraine. Sounds like Russian propaganda to stir up the population.
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Old 02-28-2023, 11:01 AM
 
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Are we supposed to believe that Russia has not been targeting civilian infrastructure in Ukraine?

Yes.
Russians were going to a great length to avoid causing the disruption of daily life for Ukrainian civilians.

And that included NOT touching the bridges and railway roads, as much as the Russian military on the ground was asking it.

But then with time even the gov. realized that this way they will lose this war for sure.
So yes, later down the line Russians HAD to start targeting parts of the infrastructure, playing the dual ( both civilian and military) role, such electric grids.

But as far as targeting residential areas, or even worse - using civilians as the live shield - that's what Ukrainian troops are infamous for, not Russians.

When civilian building are hit by Russians, it's never intentional, unless their missiles miss the target that had military installments near-by, or it's simply Ukrainian air defense rockets that hit the residential buildings.

And in rear cases, Russians receive the false reports about Ukrainian military being lodged in specific residential buildings. ( I remember couple of such cases.)
But in general, unlike Ukrainians, Russians do not target civilian infrastructure, since this would be counter-productive to their goals in Ukraine. That is - denazification, but not the destruction of Ukrainian population.

But you already know all that by now, don't you?
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Old 02-28-2023, 11:08 AM
 
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You act like the Soviets did all this out of kindness and a change of heart.

They did this out of defeat.

The new countries asked to join so that they wouldn’t end up subjects of the next attempt at a Russian empire, and here we are with Putin trying to bring back the Russian empire with its “historical lands”.

Is it so hard to imagine that there are countries that don’t want to be Russified?

There was no defeat, when Gorbachev started pursuing all these policies on his own.
If Andropov ( who was in charge of the country before G.) wouldn't have died, things could have turned out very, very differently, because Andropov was the hard core KGB man.
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Old 02-28-2023, 11:09 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Who for a moment thinks the Russians could occupy Ukraine? The Ukrainian government handed out thousand upon thousands of gun to the citizens. Just like the did in Finland. On February 23, 2022,immediately before the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine and a declaration of a state of emergency the Ukrainian parliament approved a law which gives citizens the right to carry weapons outside their homes for the purpose of self defense. Ukrainians were estimated to have 6,600,000 small arms.

How do you make an occupation untenable? Arm the populace and keep them informed about the genocide being committed.

The ruskies could win the war and be defeated.
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Old 02-28-2023, 11:13 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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I wonder what all that fuss about China potentially shipping arms to Russia is all about.

I am sure China knows by now that Ukraine and the West are the villains that started the war and do the bad things. So, why would they not support their friend Russia?! Especially since the West openly ships so many arms to the villains?! And Zelensky is threatening China and siding with Taiwan.

Not to mention that the US goes around and basically announces that it will start a war against China within just a few years, probably 2025. So, why would China not help Russia, when both have the same self-declared enemy?!

There is a double post on Telegram analyzing that today:
https://t.me/soroka_belaya_en/519
https://t.me/soroka_belaya_en/520
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Old 02-28-2023, 11:15 AM
 
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Who for a moment thinks the Russians could occupy Ukraine? The Ukrainian government handed out thousand upon thousands of gun to the citizens. Just like the did in Finland. On February 23, 2022,immediately before the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine and a declaration of a state of emergency the Ukrainian parliament approved a law which gives citizens the right to carry weapons outside their homes for the purpose of self defense. Ukrainians were estimated to have 6,600,000 small arms.

How do you make an occupation untenable? Arm the populace and keep them informed about the genocide being committed.

The ruskies could win the war and be defeated.

Russians defeated Finland, took over the territories they were interested in achieving their objectives ( since they were providing security to the near-by St. Petersburg.)

But they were not interested in occupying Finland.

So as I've said, Russians are very, very predictable, when you watch their actions throughout centuries.
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Old 02-28-2023, 11:19 AM
 
Location: Oregon Coast
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Who for a moment thinks the Russians could occupy Ukraine? The Ukrainian government handed out thousand upon thousands of gun to the citizens. Just like the did in Finland. On February 23, 2022,immediately before the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine and a declaration of a state of emergency the Ukrainian parliament approved a law which gives citizens the right to carry weapons outside their homes for the purpose of self defense. Ukrainians were estimated to have 6,600,000 small arms.

How do you make an occupation untenable? Arm the populace and keep them informed about the genocide being committed.

The ruskies could win the war and be defeated.
Not only could they, they are. They have successfully occupied over 16% of Ukraines land, some of it for almost 10 years. And those armed citizens haven't been able to do one damned thing to stop it.
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