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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 201 39.72%
No 256 50.59%
Unsure 49 9.68%
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Old 02-28-2023, 11:20 AM
 
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Sometimes ya gotta smile:

Russian propagandist says Russia will have to use "repressive machine" to "denacify" Ukraine, but then Ukrainians will happily live with Russians as one big country.


NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said that the end of the war in Ukraine will not lead to the normalization of relations with the Russian Federation. It won't matter whether Russia "wins" or not. They cannot survive.


On the occupied left bank of the Kherson region, Russians started smoking again and put something on fire. Big fire.



The lowly, cheap armed quadcopter remains the Russian infantry's worst nightmare. We see granades dropped on Russians every day.


Looks like Bakhmut may fall some day.

That's exactly what Ukrainian Nationalists were doing - using the repressive machine to "derussify" Ukraine.

But THAT wasn't a problem apparently in your eyes.
It was all good, "freedom loving and democratic" process.
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Old 02-28-2023, 11:45 AM
 
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Who for a moment thinks the Russians could occupy Ukraine? The Ukrainian government handed out thousand upon thousands of gun to the citizens. Just like the did in Finland. On February 23, 2022,immediately before the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine and a declaration of a state of emergency the Ukrainian parliament approved a law which gives citizens the right to carry weapons outside their homes for the purpose of self defense. Ukrainians were estimated to have 6,600,000 small arms.

How do you make an occupation untenable? Arm the populace and keep them informed about the genocide being committed.

The ruskies could win the war and be defeated.

Russia doesn't want to occupy the entire country. Is not like when the U.S. invaded Iraq and Afghanistan for 20 years to put a pro American puppet governments for the entire countries.

Russia wants 4 things: To officially recognize Crimea as Russian. Donetsk and Luhanks as independent states and NATO off Ukraine. If the Ukraine government weren't getting bought off with endless funds that makes their corrupt politicians very fat rich to continue the war on behalf of the West, this deal would have been done a while go.


Why does Ukraine (We know why, they are taking orders from the West) wants to take back Crimea? They can't. The majority of the people in Crimea are Russians and don't want to be under Ukraine and Ukraine doesn't have the muscle to kick Russia out.



The best interests of the people of Ukraine is not the same thing as the West's interests and they are being misrepresented. A deal should have been made years ago.
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Old 02-28-2023, 11:48 AM
 
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VERY TENSE situation in Transnistria ( part of Moldova) - they are bracing for Ukrainian attack over there.

https://www.trtworld.com/europe/tens...leground-65687

I see the reports of Ukrainian troops being deployed to the border with Transnistria.
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Old 02-28-2023, 11:52 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Not only could they, they are. They have successfully occupied over 16% of Ukraines land, some of it for almost 10 years. And those armed citizens haven't been able to do one damned thing to stop it.
Those lands occupied happened before (2014) the weapons distribution (2022). https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/02/europ...hnk/index.html
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Old 02-28-2023, 11:56 AM
 
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Mr Javelin says hi to Russian tanks.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9w5GQaNQXVs
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Old 02-28-2023, 11:58 AM
 
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Churchill was a super racist sociopath. Have you read his racist slurs against Indians for example? I don't care what such people say. Putin tried to avoid a war, and there is nothing wrong about that.

I agree with most, except the part of Russia losing 1/3rd of its territory. It is just not true. Yes, the SU was run from Moscow, just like the EU is run from Brussels. But does that mean that Germany, Spain etc. are part of Belgium and that when the EU falls apart, Belgium will lose 95% of its territory?
The EU is not run by Belgians, just like the SU was run by Stalin for like 3 decades, but he was Georgian, not Russian.

What Putin said is correct. And you don't have to believe him. Just in case you don't know, the West is staging conventions on the "decolonization" of Russia, which simply means hacking Russia into half a dozen countries. They even have names for those future countries.
https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/washing...reakup-russia/

Interesting study on propaganda:
https://mronline.org/2022/11/07/mass...n-researchers/


And a story with a twist on Nazis, straight from the mouth of an American mercenary:
https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/21298

Imagine that, he tried to convince the Ukrainians that he was against Russia by saying he wanted to fight Russian Nazis. But the Ukrainians corrected him and proudly said, no, the Russians are not Nazis, we are!

You and me and most people here can make a peace deal right now and go play golf after.

1) The vast majority of the people of Crimea wants to be under Russia. DONE
2) Make Donetsk and Luhansk independent states and end the war there. DONE
3) Keep NATO off Ukraine and stay with 30 countries and stop going East. DONE.


We could have made this deal years ago but We know which side doesn't want to negotiate those terms.
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Old 02-28-2023, 12:17 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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You never know, but it could just be pretense to make the Russian people believe they are under attack with the Russian military doing it all.
Everything happens during a war.
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Old 02-28-2023, 12:18 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Not only could they, they are. They have successfully occupied over 16% of Ukraines land, some of it for almost 10 years. And those armed citizens haven't been able to do one damned thing to stop it.
Well, who knows?.......... Maybe giving them arms from 39 different countries will turn the tide.
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Old 02-28-2023, 12:25 PM
 
Location: Oregon Coast
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Russia doesn't want to occupy the entire country. Is not like when the U.S. invaded Iraq and Afghanistan for 20 years to put a pro American puppet governments for the entire countries.

Russia wants 4 things: To officially recognize Crimea as Russian. Donetsk and Luhanks as independent states and NATO off Ukraine.
Actually they want a lot more than that. They want official recognition of Crimea, Luhansk, Donetsk, Zaporizhzhia and Kherson as Russian. They have already annexed those territories. They clearly have no intention to ever de-annex them. Plus they want a Russian puppet government in Ukraine, like they have in Belarus, and they want NATO off Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, and others, so they can start interfering in those countries.
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Old 02-28-2023, 12:35 PM
 
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Who for a moment thinks the Russians could occupy Ukraine? The Ukrainian government handed out thousand upon thousands of gun to the citizens. Just like the did in Finland. On February 23, 2022,immediately before the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine and a declaration of a state of emergency the Ukrainian parliament approved a law which gives citizens the right to carry weapons outside their homes for the purpose of self defense. Ukrainians were estimated to have 6,600,000 small arms.

How do you make an occupation untenable? Arm the populace and keep them informed about the genocide being committed.

The ruskies could win the war and be defeated.
Very bad strategy it seems, since the majority of the civilian population hasn’t gotten within miles of a Russian soldier, unless you are talking about a pizza delivery boy being kidnapped and conscripted and sent to the human meat grinder on the front lines.
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