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Old 07-02-2022, 07:59 AM
 
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Kadyrov announced the encirclement of Lisichansk

The head of Chechnya Kadyrov announced the complete encirclement of Lisichansk by the forces of the RF Armed Forces and the
LPRChechen RepublicRamzan Kadyrov announced the complete encirclement of the Ukrainian military inLisichansk by allied troops. "The trap is slammed," he said in hisTelegramchannel.
“The operational information was reported by the dear BROT, the commander of the special police regiment named after the Hero of Russia Akhmat-Khadzhi Kadyrov, Zamid Chalaev,” Kadyrov said and suggested that a full-scale attack on the city would soon begin.
According to Kadyrov, all entrances and exits from the settlement are blocked, so the enemy "has nowhere to go." “You won’t be able to break through the dense ring of encirclement, even if you try very hard,” he added.
Earlier on July 2, Assistant Minister of the Interior of the Lugansk People's Republic (LPR)Vitaly Kiselevannouncedthat the allied forces in the coming days are preparing to completely take control of Lisichansk. He noted that now more than two thousand fighters of the Territorial Defense Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are in the surrounded city, protecting foreign mercenaries.

The Israeli Embassy in Berlin considered the statements of the Ambassador of Ukraine Melnik about Bandera an insult


BERLIN, July 2 - RIA Novosti. Embassy of Israel in Berlinsharply reacted to the statements of the Ambassador of Ukraine to Germany Andriy Melnyk about Stepan Bandera.
"The Ukrainian ambassador's statements are a distortion of historical facts, an understatement of the Holocaust and an insult to the memory of those who were killed by Bandera and his supporters," the diplomatic mission said on Twitter.

June 29, 22:39
Ambassador Melnik called Bandera a "freedom fighter" for the Ukrainian people
The report notes that "the ambassador's statements not only undermine the values ​​that we all cherish and believe in," but also "undermine the courageous struggle of the Ukrainian people for to live by democratic values ​​in the world."
Formerly AmbassadorUkraine inBerlinAndrey Melnik in an interview with a journalist fromGermany, where the glorification of Nazism is prohibited by law, made glorifications of an accomplice of the NazisStepan Bandera as a "freedom fighter". At the same time, according to Melnyk, Bandera had no ties with Nazi Germany, and the mass killings of peaceful Poles by Ukrainian nationalists in Volhynia and Galicia during World War II are explained by the fact that on the other side "there were many murders and atrocities."
The German Foreign Ministry took note of the statements of the Ambassador of Ukraine Andriy Melnyk about Stepan Bandera, but considers them as a personal statement, and not the position of the Ukrainian government, spokesman for the department Christian Wagner told reporters on Friday.
Foreign SecretaryPolandZbigniew Rau discussed with his Ukrainian colleagueDmitry Kuleba the behavior of the Ambassador of Ukraine to Germany Andriy Melnyk, who glorified Stepan Bandera. As a result of the conversation, which took place on Friday, the Polish minister said that inWarsaw and inKiev "appreciated his (Melnik - ed.) statement as his personal opinion, containing a lot of historical lies."
Ambassador of Ukraine to Germany Andriy Melnik repeatedly visited the grave of Stepan Bandera inMunich, other places in Germany associated with the personality of this political figure, defiantly maintained relations with his relatives. In 2015, the ambassador took part in the opening of the photo exhibition "Burning Ukraine 1939-1945" at the Museum of the History of World War II Berlin-Karlshorst, where 64 photographs from the collection of the Kyiv National Museum of the History of the Great Patriotic War were presented. The exposition was supposed to demonstrate a new view of the Ukrainian leadership on the history of the Second World War and the "restoration of Ukrainian statehood." For example, in one of the photographs of this exhibition, dated July 1941, you can see a rally in the village of Przemysl - perhaps this is the Polish city of Przemysl: the podium, half-covered by the developing Ukrainian two-color, people in the form of the Wehrmacht are standing on the podium, below is a large poster "High live Ukrainian state".
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Old 07-02-2022, 08:46 AM
 
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People trying to pick their side for WW3, looks like theyve chosen....poorly.


Sure, Argentina applied to join BRICS this past week. BRICS is not a military organization.

There is also this news article dated today: Ukrainian leader thanks Argentine President for his country's help

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Argentine President Alberto Fernández Friday held a 35-minute telephone conversation with his Ukrainian colleague Volodymyr Zelenski to who he conveyed his condemnation of the Russian invasion and expressed Argentina's willingness to support “all negotiations that may be undertaken for the cessation of hostilities.”

Fernández ratified Argentina's “rejection of the Russian invasion in the same way as it has been doing in all international forums,” according to Casa Rosada sources.

The Ukrainian leader, meanwhile, thanked Fernández on Twitter for Argentina's humanitarian aid and for his “condemnation of Russian aggression and suspension of Russian membership in the #UN Human Rights Council.” Fernández also offered to increase Argentina's humanitarian aid, if necessary.
So tell me, what side do you think Argentina has decided to join for WW3 that represents a poor decision?
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Old 07-02-2022, 09:15 AM
 
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Kadyrov announced the encirclement of Lisichansk............
Meanwhile "The World" has announced the encirclement of Russia
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Old 07-02-2022, 11:19 AM
 
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LOL. Look, lets be honest here. This goes nuclear and it wont matter what side you are on. we're all dead. Agreed?

But if we go for a non nuclear one? Yeah they have chosen poorly. You can talk big all you want, but we ALL know that if the NATO was actually involved in this war it would be over.
Yeah just like Afghanistan was over so fast
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Old 07-02-2022, 12:36 PM
 
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Massive explosions at a Russian ammunition depot in Popasna.
Chechens say they control the city, currently. Explosions shown in video. Looks like a MOAB went off. Unsurvivable for anyone close.
Captions are funny!.... Turn them on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ul1a_r5fw4c
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Old 07-02-2022, 02:40 PM
 
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No we don't.

I never underestimate the Russians when they operate in defensive mode.

And in this case they do.
In Ukraine? LOL.
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Old 07-02-2022, 02:47 PM
 
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Sure, Argentina applied to join BRICS this past week. BRICS is not a military organization.

There is also this news article dated today: Ukrainian leader thanks Argentine President for his country's help



So tell me, what side do you think Argentina has decided to join for WW3 that represents a poor decision?
Sure. While Russia has engaged with a war with its neighbor Argentina has chosen to join a economic group with Russia being one of the major partners. Its a pretty good indication that their economic interests and Russias are aligned. This is action, not talk, and in the end thats vastly more indicative of whats going on. Could just be bad timing, but it doesn't feel that way if that makes sense.

As for WW3 well the historical similarities are just way way way too much at this point. Theres a ton of indicators that we are gearing up for it, and people are picking sides. Makes me wonder if world wars are now cyclical now that we can do them effectively, and we have such linked economies.

As for why its a bad choice? I don't think they are picking the winning side.
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Old 07-02-2022, 06:21 PM
 
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Lukashenko: Ukrainian missiles tried to attack Belarus

Belarusian air defense intercepted Ukrainian missiles about three days ago, said Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko.
BFM.ru
However, the Belarusian servicemen managed to intercept all the missiles with the help of Pantsir complexes.
Eurasia Daily
Lukashenka said that the missile strikes of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were repelled by Pantsir complexes.
REN TV The
Belarusian leader, however, stressed that Minsk does not want to fight in Ukraine,broadcast

by BelTA.
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Old 07-02-2022, 06:27 PM
 
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Lukashenko: Ukrainian missiles tried to attack Belarus

Belarusian air defense intercepted Ukrainian missiles about three days ago, said Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko.
BFM.ru
However, the Belarusian servicemen managed to intercept all the missiles with the help of Pantsir complexes.
Eurasia Daily
Lukashenka said that the missile strikes of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were repelled by Pantsir complexes.
REN TV The
Belarusian leader, however, stressed that Minsk does not want to fight in Ukraine,broadcast

by BelTA.
Coming from a country which allowed a major military attack (amounting to thousands of personnel and hundreds of fighting vehicles and aircraft) from it's own soil this news report looks fishy..

It looks like a false flag ... has Lukashenko finally put generals in place who would be willing to lead an attack?

If those missiles were actually Ukrainian, they need to be careful not to provoke Belarus any further.
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Old 07-02-2022, 07:03 PM
 
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Sure. While Russia has engaged with a war with its neighbor Argentina has chosen to join a economic group with Russia being one of the major partners. Its a pretty good indication that their economic interests and Russias are aligned. This is action, not talk, and in the end thats vastly more indicative of whats going on. Could just be bad timing, but it doesn't feel that way if that makes sense.

As for WW3 well the historical similarities are just way way way too much at this point. Theres a ton of indicators that we are gearing up for it, and people are picking sides. Makes me wonder if world wars are now cyclical now that we can do them effectively, and we have such linked economies.

As for why its a bad choice? I don't think they are picking the winning side.
No, I think it’s a good indication that the Argentinian government is desperate and there are no signs any other country might come to the rescue.
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The government is facing its lowest approval rating since taking office in 2019. Inflation is running above 60% and the peso currency is under growing pressure. Sovereign bonds have plummeted.
Argentina government crises build as Economy Minister Guzman resigns

I think WW3 will tend to be an economic war with the world splitting into two main camps. Small developing economies will try to navigate both. Their survival depends on it as both sides would see them merely as pawns.

Of course there is another factor at play long term which will complicate matters - mass migration due to climate change and lack of fresh water. The median age in Africa is 20. In India it’s 29.
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