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Old 06-14-2022, 04:06 PM
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Trump didn't have to collude directly to know he was being helped by Putin. He was certainly grateful enough.

"Russia, if you're listening ... "

"President Putin says it's not Russia. I don't see any reason why it would be ..."

Yeah, he knew.
You do realize that Putin helped Hillary and Bernie too. Read Mueller's report.
He wanted chaos and division just like in Moldova, Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Armenia, Azerbaijan,...
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Old 06-14-2022, 04:28 PM
 
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Good to know that there was nothing untoward about Trump's campaign manager being a Russian agent, and Trump Jr. meeting with Russian agents, and ...

Looking forward to reading that unredacted Mueller Report. Anyone know when that's going to be released?

Anyway, back to the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

The battle for Severodonetsk continues, with the Russians controlling 70% - 80% of the city.

Ukrainian forces are making slow progress toward the occupied city of Kherson.
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Old 06-14-2022, 04:44 PM
 
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I wonder how state media like in Germany want to carry on once this conflict is over. They keep flooding lies and nonsense every day, like today claiming Russians are attacking Donetsk, which is total nonsense since Donetsk is an utterly pro-Russian city, not to mention that the shells found in the rubble clearly show that they came from Nato arms (some can be assigned specifically to French 155mm CAESAR weapons). Those media are totally destroying the last bit of credibility they may have had.

I finally found out what's going on with Donetsk, and why it's severely shelled lately.

The Ukrainian propaganda machine is supplying Western media with lies as usual, but this is what the real situation IS:
Ukrainian army is incurring heavy losses elsewhere - namely in Severodonetsk/Lisichansk among other places. Their troops ended up in yet another cauldron ( or "pincers" or whatever you want to call it.) They are surrounded by Russian troops from three sides, and their backs are against the river.

About from three to four thousands of them, about 600 of them are the foreign mercenaries ( the figures varies depending on sources.)

So Ukrainian commandment increased the shelling of civilian targets in Donetsk, hoping that Russians would deploy at least part of their troops to Mariinka/Avdeevka point, where the Ukrainians built the reinforced fortifications during last eight years, and from which they can reach Donetsk with their shelling.

So they kill the civilians now there and destroy the civilian infrastructure with impunity.

At the same time their lying mouths are apparently supplying Western media with information that "it's the RUSSIAN ARMY that is hitting Donetsk," since the situation there becomes more and more devastating. ( Now they are hitting the central areas of Donetsk, that were not reached earlier - market, the maternity ward, schools,) most likely because they have the foreign made howitzers supplied by NATO now.

So now the head of the DNR, Pushilin, already appealed directly to Moscow to interfere in the situation.

Will Moscow hit Kiev in response at this point again - I don't know.

Just a guess, but I pay attention at these details, since whatever happens in LDNR, usually has bigger ramifications.
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Old 06-14-2022, 05:11 PM
 
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https://www.understandingwar.org/bac...ssment-june-14

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The Belarusian Armed Forces began a command-staff exercise focused on testing command and control capabilities on June 14. However, Belarus remains unlikely to join the war in Ukraine on behalf of Russia.

Head of Logistics for the Belarusian Armed Forces Major General Andrei Burdyko announced that the exercise will involve military authorities, unspecified military units, and logistics organizations and is intended to improve the coherency of command-and-control and logistics support to increase the overall level of training and practical skills of personnel in a “dynamically changing environment.â€[1] Despite the launch of this exercise, Belarus remains unlikely to join the war in Ukraine due to the threat of domestic unrest that President Alexander Lukashenko faces if he involves already-limited Belarusian military assets in combat

Russian authorities may be accelerating plans to annex occupied areas of Ukraine and are arranging political and administrative contingencies for control of annexed territories.

The Russian military leadership continues to expand its pool of eligible recruits by manipulating service requirements

Russian milblogger Yuri Kotyenok suggested that Russian authorities are preparing to increase the age limit for military service from 40 to 49 and to drop the existing requirement for past military service to serve in tank and motorized infantry units.[5] If true, the shift demonstrates the Kremlin's increasing desperation for recruits to fill frontline units, regardless of their poor skills. Kotyenok echoed calls made by other milbloggers to reduce the health requirements for those serving in rear and support roles.[6] Kotyenok additionally noted that while Russian recruits must have clean criminal records to serve, private military companies such as the Wagner Group will allow those with “mild misdemeanors†into service and that many of these low-level offenders have been mobilized into combat with Wagner in Donetsk and Luhansk. The Russian military leadership will likely continue efforts to expand the pool of eligible recruits, even at the cost of high-quality military personnel.
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Russian military authorities are pursuing options to increase the available pool of eligible recruits to account for continued personnel losses in Ukraine.

Russian forces are continuing to fight for control of the Azot industrial plant and have destroyed all bridges between Severodonetsk and Lysychansk, likely to isolate the remaining Ukrainian defenders within the city from critical lines of communication.

Russian forces continue to prepare for offensive operations southeast of Izyum and west of Lyman toward Slovyansk.

Russian forces are continuing offensive operations to the east of Bakhmut near the T1302 highway to cut Ukrainian lines of communication to Severodonetsk-Lysychansk.

Russian forces continued offensive operations to push Ukrainian troops away from frontlines northeast of Kharkiv City.

Ukrainian counterattacks have forced Russian troops on the Southern Axis to take up and strengthen defensive positions.
Activity in Russian-occupied Areas

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Russian occupation authorities continued to struggle to provide basic social services in Mariupol on June 14.[29] Advisor to the Mayor of Mariupol Petro Andryushchenko claimed that the reconstruction of Mariupol is allegedly taking place under the patronage of the Russian city of St. Petersburg, but that occupation authorities have no clear legal framework under which to institute reconstruction projects.[30] Russian occupation authorities will likely continue the ad-hoc implementation of occupational agendas in the continued absence of a concrete Kremlin-backed occupation framework.

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Old 06-14-2022, 05:15 PM
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Good to know that there was nothing untoward about Trump's campaign manager being a Russian agent, and Trump Jr. meeting with Russian agents, and ...

Looking forward to reading that unredacted Mueller Report. Anyone know when that's going to be released?

Anyway, back to the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

The battle for Severodonetsk continues, with the Russians controlling 70% - 80% of the city.

Ukrainian forces are making slow progress toward the occupied city of Kherson.
Trump's campaign manager and Hillary Clinton's campaign manager's brother worked together for Putin's guy who got driven out in the orange revolution.

You are really giving ammo to these brainwashed Russian posters who say we are brainwashed when you still believe things that clearly were proven wrong.

But given the way the US left has been brainwashed by the media, I'm sympathetic to the Russians brainwashed by Putin. In fact, my wife has a facebook friend with the Z on her page. At least they have the excuse that it is hard to get alternative media.
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Old 06-14-2022, 05:18 PM
 
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well now that the rooskies have blown up the last bridge....how will they cross when they need to?....will we see more videos of pontoons and tanks blown to smithereens?....
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Old 06-14-2022, 05:21 PM
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Todays Update



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Activity in Russian-occupied Areas
I suspect they will force the Belorussians to move their troops and put them on alert to force the Ukrainians to have forces to counter them. But I suspect Lukashenko isn't secure enough to risk a revolt to help Putin in his war.

Interesting that the Russians blew up the bridges. That basically means they are giving up on taking Lysychansk from that direction. Will be interesting to see if that gets the Ukrainians to quietly withdraw from Severodonetsk or if they continue to bleed the Russian forces.
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Old 06-14-2022, 05:39 PM
 
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I finally found out what's going on with Donetsk, and why it's severely shelled lately.

The Ukrainian propaganda machine is supplying Western media with lies as usual, but this is what the real situation IS:...

P.S. There are more reports coming in, that the Nationalist blocking units are killing the regular Ukrainian soldiers trying to surrender, the more Russian army is advancing.

32 Ukrainian soldiers were shut in the back near Novomikhailovka yesterday, once they arranged their surrender to Russians and tried to cross the front line with the white flag.
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Old 06-14-2022, 05:50 PM
 
Location: Port Charlotte FL
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yeah yeah yeah....where's your sources?....where's your links?...oh, I forgot, you never provide any...
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Old 06-14-2022, 06:24 PM
 
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I suspect they will force the Belorussians to move their troops and put them on alert to force the Ukrainians to have forces to counter them. But I suspect Lukashenko isn't secure enough to risk a revolt to help Putin in his war.

Interesting that the Russians blew up the bridges. That basically means they are giving up on taking Lysychansk from that direction. Will be interesting to see if that gets the Ukrainians to quietly withdraw from Severodonetsk or if they continue to bleed the Russian forces.
Judging from Russia's ever changing options to increase the available pool of eligible recruits...I'm thinking they are going to bleed them of what they got. I beleive the objective is to push Russia to a point of culmination in the Donbas. That's when we can see Ukraine's counter-offensives in force.....that's my take.
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