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Old 06-13-2022, 07:57 PM
 
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Absurd. I explained my rationale and stand by it. North Korea is not a real nuclear power. But you ignore my main point because it is uncomfortable for you to discuss it. Russia can get away with snubbing the US because of its economic and military position that third world countries don't have. Again, whether or not North Korea has nukes or not does not affect my point. No propaganda here.

How/where did they get the nukes to begin with?
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Old 06-13-2022, 08:12 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Todays Update....sounds like Russia is scraping the bottom of the barrel on men and equipment

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Kremlin-sponsored outlet Izvestia published and quickly removed an appeal by the First Deputy Head of the Russian Presidential Administration Sergey Kirelenko for Russia to rebuild the Donbas on June 12 and blamed hackers for what they (likely falsely) claimed was a “fake publication.”

Russia continues to deploy insufficiently prepared volunteer and reserve forces to reinforce its ongoing operations
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Kremlin-sponsored outlet Izvestia released footage showing Russian artillery reservists undergoing training with old D-20 howitzers reportedly within 10 days of their deployment to Ukraine.[4] The reservists focused on learning how to operate hand-held weapons, despite being reportedly only days away from deploying. Social media footage also showed Russian forces transporting Russian volunteer and reserve units with T-80BV tanks (a variant produced in 1985, as opposed to the modernized T-80 BVM operated by the 1st Guards Tank Army) and BMP-1 armored personnel carriers (which have largely been phased out in favor of the BMP-2) to Belgorod Oblast on June 9.[5] Additional social media footage showed Russian forces transporting T-80BV tanks removed from storage in Moscow Oblast on June 9
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Russian forces pushed Ukrainian defenders from the center of Severodonetsk and reportedly destroyed the remaining bridge from Severodonetsk to Lysychansk on June 13, but Ukrainian officials reported that Ukrainian forces are not encircled in the city.

Russian forces carried out unsuccessful ground assaults in an attempt to sever Ukrainian ground lines of communications (GLOCs) near Popasna and Bakhmut.

Russian forces launched unsuccessful offensive operations southeast of Izyum and north of Slovyansk, and are likely setting conditions for an assault on Siversk and northwestern Ukrainian GLOCs to Lysychansk.

Russian forces are likely conducting a limited offensive directly northeast of Kharkiv City in a likely attempt to push Ukrainian forces out of artillery range of Russian rear areas and secured some successes.

Russian and Ukrainian forces are engaging in ongoing fighting for Davydiv Brid in northwestern Kherson Oblast.

Russian occupation authorities likely staged terrorist activity in Melitopol and Berdyansk for Russia Day on June 12.

Activity in Russian-occupied Areas

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Russian occupation authorities continue to face personnel shortages that impede their occupation measures. The Ukrainian Military Intelligence Directorate (GUR) reported that Russian forces in Mariupol were unable to recruit collaborators by promising individual applicants 10,000 rubles per month and switched to offering payments in food supplies, given the dire humanitarian situation in the city.[37] The GUR added that Russian occupation authorities are inviting any volunteers to clear out rubble and dead bodies in Mariupol. Mariupol Mayor’s Adviser Petro Andryushenko noted that the Russian occupation authorities are restricting access to humanitarian aid for individuals younger than 65 years of age.[38] Russian occupation authorities in Mariupol may be attempting to gain the support of elderly citizens and coerce younger residents to work with Russian forces in exchange for food. Russian occupation authorities additionally deployed Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) police officers to patrol Kherson City.[39] The GUR also noted that Russian occupation authorities are recruiting teachers without pedagogical education and transporting educators from Crimea to replace Melitopol teachers that refused to teach Russian curriculums.[40] Russian occupation authorities are also attempting to bribe civilians by offering debt forgiveness of all loans taken from Ukrainian banks.

Russian occupation authorities are continuing to exploit Ukrainian agrobusiness and have reportedly banned the export of crops to Ukrainian government-controlled territories from Russian occupied settlements.[43] The GUR also noted that Russian forces are coercing Kherson Oblast businessmen and farmers to hand over 70% of their harvest to Crimean buyers at low profit margins.
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Old 06-13-2022, 08:19 PM
 
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The bleeding continues on both sides.
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Old 06-13-2022, 08:21 PM
 
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As few days back I posted video on Russian Allied forces casualties, here's another one on Ukrainian casualties.
Irrevocable casualties, as in dead, deserted, not capable of returning back to active service count up to 100 000.
Couple points that stroke me:
1. Ukrainian military refusing to accept bodies of their killed soldiers? Seriously?
2. apparently, there is pay established to the families of killed in action soldiers. 15 000 000 gryven. Devided by 30, as 1 USD=30 gryvnia, that equals to $500 000. What means, if government is to fairly pay that compensation, even half of the casualties will be more, than entire country budget.

3.leutenant general Steven Twitty openly is wondering, where did 200 000 Ukrainian soldiers disappeared?

The Armed Forces of Ukraine could lose up to 200 thousand people in combat. US Lieutenant General Stephen Twitty, who previously served as Deputy Chief of European Command, shared this view. USA
According to the US military, some 200,000 Ukrainian soldiers have disappeared from sight in Washington, the German daily Linke Zeitung reports. Kyiv, he believes, hides their deaths or lies about the success of the mass mobilization. At the same time, the White House wants to know the real situation on the ground and not be fooled by Ukrainian partners about Russian casualties.
Twitty also expressed his confidence in Russia’s ability to win in the near future.
“The Ukrainians will never be able to destroy or defeat the Russians,” he stated emphatically.
In addition, the American general stated that the Ukrainian Armed Forces lack the military capacity to recover the territory that has already been lost.
https://www.google.com/search?q=lieu...client=gws-wiz



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Li8vFy7gcCM&t=359s
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Old 06-13-2022, 08:47 PM
 
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Iran in Syria? Yemen? Iran's worldwide terrorism?
Not on the scale of what Russia did and is doing. Imagine what would have happened if Iran or another weaker country attacked Ukraine.
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Old 06-13-2022, 08:49 PM
 
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How/where did they get the nukes to begin with?
Good question.
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Old 06-13-2022, 09:57 PM
 
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American legion fighters engaging the enemy.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUIxCUGr8LA
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Old 06-13-2022, 11:36 PM
 
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In case you missed it. https://t.me/rybar/33892

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Highlights of Russian Military Operation in Ukraine on June 13, 2022

▪️Last night ZSU have attempted to attack near Starytsya and Izbyts'ke in the Kharkiv region, but were driven back. Now the Russian Armed Forces are advancing south of Rubezhne.

▪️Russian Army advances to Slovyansk from the north: there are fightings in the vicinity of Bohorodychne, and Krasnopillya.

▪️ZSU defence in Severodonetsk is splitted into two surrounded area. Fightings continue in the industrial zone in the south of the city and in Borivs'ke.

▪️Wagner's PMC assault groups have liberated Roty settlement and are preparing to storm the fortified area to the east of Bakhmut.

▪️Donetsk faces massive missile and artillery strikes: ZSU have hit civilian objects.

▪️ZSU have shelled Russian positions in Zaporizhzhya.

▪️Russian Army carry out artillery preparation near Davydiv Brid.
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Old 06-14-2022, 06:55 AM
 
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Yet again Russian "propaganda" turned out to be the truth. A before - after kind of comparison in a short video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJtj2tqHGxc
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Old 06-14-2022, 08:17 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Ukrainian war crimes have tradition, like this one from 2014:

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299TH TACTICAL AVIATION BRIGADE. DEADLY FLIGHT TO LUGANSK

Today you will learn about the inhumane actions of the 299th Tactical aviation Brigade, which was actively used during the so-called anti-terrorist operation.

The first strike was carried out by the brigade's aircraft at Donetsk airport on May 26, 2014. A few days later, on June 2, 2014, a SU-25 attack aircraft fired at the building of the Luhansk regional state administration.

It was from this moment that the pilots of the Armed Forces of Ukraine lifted all moral prohibitions on killing civilians.

Eyewitnesses and victims of this attack confirmed that there was not a single representative of the militia in the building. In Ukraine, the fact of the attack on the Luhansk Regional State Administration, which killed 8 and injured 28 people, is not being investigated.

But everyone knows that this war crime is entirely on the conscience of the pilots of the 299th Tactical Aviation Brigade of the Air Forces of Ukraine.
https://t.me/c/1668032400/31304



A video showing the Ukrainians attack on civilians in Lugansk in 2014:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA8mhTorGD0
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