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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 201 39.64%
No 257 50.69%
Unsure 49 9.66%
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Old 06-22-2022, 06:50 PM
 
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I'm sorry if someone else already posted that but I saw this clip where Jimmy Dore vlogged about the U.S. to urge corporations to keep working with Russia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tY4kzxdQkWk
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Old 06-22-2022, 07:35 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Once that "free love," flowers in the gun barrels and "the age of Aquarius" didn't work out, they started showing their true face.

Unfortunately for them, we've proceeded to the age of Pisces.
They recognize the face of evil when they see it.
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Old 06-22-2022, 08:33 PM
 
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Biden has anything and everything to do with invasion.

He was Obama's vice president, when the whole "Ukraine as anti-Russia" project was implemented.

This invasion is just the consequence of it all.
Biden has zero to do with Ukraine invasion by Russia.

It was Putin's decision ....and Putin's decision only.
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Old 06-22-2022, 08:38 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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Zelensky just banned the opposition party and the state seized all assets. Are there any parties left in Ukraine or is Zelensky now a dictator ?
He can't be a dictator, by definition. The fight is for preserving democracy in Ukraine, remember? Europe is in it to preserve European values.
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Old 06-22-2022, 08:48 PM
 
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Maybe the root of the problem is Putin...don't ya think??
Putin started it. We can count our losses and stop sending money, war items, except perhaps only send humanitarian aid to the citizens.
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Old 06-22-2022, 09:00 PM
 
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Putin started it. We can count our losses and stop sending money, war items, except perhaps only send humanitarian aid to the citizens.
Putin thought he could do whatever he wanted when he wanted....it was time to put that boy in his place.
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Old 06-22-2022, 09:09 PM
 
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Putin thought he could do whatever he wanted when he wanted....it was time to put that boy in his place.
Ukraine is going to lose.. Russia has more resources, is bigger, doesn't give a crap and will go all the way. Ukraine is almost landlocked, they lost a lot of their access to the sea (or whatever the body of water is on the southern border). Talk on tv is that Russia is making gains. Sanctions are not working - China is giving Russia help.

And all the money we gave will be for naught. America gave more money than all the other nations combined. (Laura Ingraham's show tonight).

I'm not happy nor gloating, i just hate all the waste, the loss of life, all those historic ancient buildings destroyed. what a waste.
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Old 06-22-2022, 09:14 PM
 
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Ukraine is going to lose.. Russia has more resources, is bigger, doesn't give a crap and will go all the way. Ukraine is almost landlocked, they lost a lot of their access to the sea (or whatever the body of water is on the southern border). Talk on tv is that Russia is making gains. Sanctions are not working - China is giving Russia help.

And all the money we gave will be for naught. America gave more money than all the other nations combined. (Laura Ingraham's show tonight).

I'm not happy nor gloating, i just hate all the waste, the loss of life, all those historic ancient buildings destroyed. what a waste.
You left one key factor out.....Morale. The Ukrainians are fighting for the very existence...many of their units have father/son enlistment. Russia has a bunch ragtag undertrained conscripts that don't want to be there and yea they have a bunch of artillery but that doesn't mean squat without infantry. The Ukrainians will fight to the last man. It maybe tough but they will be the victors.
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Old 06-22-2022, 09:38 PM
 
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You left one key factor out.....Morale. The Ukrainians are fighting for the very existence...many of their units have father/son enlistment. Russia has a bunch ragtag undertrained conscripts that don't want to be there and yea they have a bunch of artillery but that doesn't mean squat without infantry. The Ukrainians will fight to the last man. It maybe tough but they will be the victors.
Yes, you are correct about the spirit and patriotism of the Ukraine people.. Heck i even saw regular women who looked like typical housewives, practice crawling on the ground in a military type crawl (they looked like a soldier training thing). however, unfortunately all their good spirit is no match for Russia who is bigger, has more resources and is slowly but surely taking land.

Look at the map of Ukraine, news reporters color the land that Russia captured in red. All the Donbas region (southwest areas) are all red. Ukraine's wheat is being stuck at the dock because Russia wont let it go free.

I kept going back and forth about who was winning, and im sad to see that Ukraine might not make it and its shame because Putin has no right to take their country, even a little bit, and all that waste for nothing which i described above .. such a waste. and the rebuilding of Ukraine, oh wow thats going to be horrid. how in the world are they going to rebuild? those historic buildings are trash now which stood for centuries.
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Old 06-22-2022, 09:39 PM
 
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And the republicans/wingnuts are supporting Russia. What ever happened to better dead than red?
Republicans are not necessarily supporting Russia. They are just being partisan. If Trump was President and doing exactly what Biden is doing for Ukraine, most democrats would be against him and appear to be pro-Russia. Republicans, on the hand, would support him and by thereby support Ukraine.
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